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Thinking about getting one.. Don't need the Suburban gas hog any more, and the wife wants my Silverado  I know a few of you are well versed on these little cars so I thought I'd throw out a general inquiry as to what to look for, what to stay away from, perhaps other options? When in high school, a good friend of mine had a 1500 and we drove the crap out of that car.. was fun beyond belief, so I'm leaning toward the 73-80 1500's.. good choice? Or should I perhaps also consider a MK-III or older? I've seen them (1500's) locally going for around 2 grand in good mechanical condition.. I was also considering an older 67-up VW bug, but they seem to be commanding a premium price these days. Any suggestions, gotchas or other stuff I should be on the look out for? Thanks guys! Cheers, Brad
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My stepdad got me a '72 Spitfire prior to my senior year. We rebuilt it best we could living in the middle of Louisiana (not a lot of Brit cars to salvage from). I still love and miss that car today and even consider looking for another one. The only thing I wish would have been different was if I could have had the overdrive transmission vice the 4-speed. I don't recall what year the overdrive was introduced, but I (personally) would start looking there. Holy cow you're bringing some memories back Brad. I don't know whether to cheer or curse you....LOL  
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Just stay away from the early VW 1600TL, sedan and Variant. The flat engine had a cooling problem with the #3 cylinder because of the twisting air flow from the crank mounted fan. Instead of fixing it, they retarded the timing on the #3 distributer cam lobe. This set up a rotary vibration that unscrewed the left side of the engine.
Only problem I've heard of on the Spitfire is that you need to make sure the front wheel bearings stay properly lubed. Otherwise, a much better car than the Sprite and MG Midget.
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Always enjoyed mine (way back when i was a lad).  
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My boy has one he has been working on restoring for the past couple years but I think he has lost heart because he has another project in front of it. He got it really cheap ($300) and it runs partially ready for painting. I was always hoping he would finish it up. I know he has bought parts off eBay and a few other type specific suppliers.
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Hey Brad, as he may miss seeing this thread, I'd say send John Bullen[JCBullen] a PM with your questions.
John totally restored a Spitfire a while back, and so he may be your best source for this info.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Neat cars.. If you really dig that "no-frills Brit sports car" kinda thing... which I do. I have a TR7 that I have been working on for awhile now. Kinda wish I had found a Spitfire instead but it was cheap enough and available so I went for it. The things handles like a true sport car and is simply a blast in the twisties. The flip forward hood on a Spitfire is really cool and I always liked the lines of a TR6... turns out I couldn't afford a decent TR6 so I went for the 7... it's been... interesting and expensive. Love the little critter though, as soon as I come up with another couple of hundred dollar bills to throw at it.. I'll see if I can get it on the road again. Check out some of the Brit car forums on the web... I picked up on a lot of handy info that way. Replacement parts are fairly accessible through Victoria British , Moss Motors , Roadster Factory, and a few others.
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My dad bought one while we were stationed in Germany in '66 and the delivery driver wrecked it when it came off the boat in Charleston in '67 when we came back stateside. Talk about breaking a high school boy's heart...I ended up learning to drive in a Dodge Dart station wagon instead. Those rides in the Bavarian Alps were magnificent and I've always had a warm spot in my heart for that car. 
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John spent billions on his
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Based on this ad, it seems Spitfires are good for more than just drivin' around... http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/990076336.html
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Thanks for finding and posting that, Jackson ol' boy!  Now THAT GUY knows how to write Ad Copy!!!! 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I've had a 69 GT6 for twenty years now, the spitfires big brother. Hardtop, six cyl, but the rest is the same. It's been a great car and I have put lots of miles on it. Maybe you should consider one. They are way cheaper than the spit, but if ya definately want a convertible.... Oh yeah, it gets 30 mpg, is fairly fast and a real goer on the corners, considering the antique technology involved.(check out plenty of pictures of them on E-bay)
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Triumph Spitfires are great little cars. Just remember that they are British and they are old. So you have sometimes compromises. Like not always making it to your destination, and that keeping a list of tow trucks companies handy is always a wise move. I had a TR7 and allowing for the occasional break down, it was one of the nicest cars i ever had. I absolutely loved this car. Here's a picture of my TR7, with a much younger me in it. 
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Thinking about getting one..
---Re-think that one.
I know a few of you are well versed on these little cars
---"Well cursed" would be a better term.
so I thought I'd throw out a general inquiry as to what to look for,
---Another car...
what to stay away from,
---Spitfires!!!
perhaps other options?
---The BMW Z3 is a much better alternative.
When in high school, a good friend of mine had a 1500 and we drove the crap out of that car..
---Impossible. The entire car is crap!!!
was fun beyond belief,
---LOTS of things were "fun in high school"...
so I'm leaning toward the 73-80 1500's.. good choice?
---NO! The 1300 engine is much better than the 1500.
Or should I perhaps also consider a MK-III or older?
---If you must...
I've seen them (1500's) locally going for around 2 grand in good mechanical condition..
---There is no such thing as "good mechanical condition" in a Spitfire. It's just a temporary state.
I was also considering an older 67-up VW bug, but they seem to be commanding a premium price these days.
---I would consider a VW Cabrio.
Any suggestions, gotchas or other stuff I should be on the look out for?
---Look into the BMW Z3. You'll be surprised at what you can get for less than $10K. The Z3 is safer, more comfortable, and MUCH more reliable than a "Sputfire."
Do NOT consider the purchase of a Spit unless you have cash in the bank to burn and you are less than 5' 10" tall. Look out for rust and electrical "issues."
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WOW John! After readin' all THAT, all can think of is the old line.... "Well, other than THAT Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" (now ya SEE, Brad...didn't I tell ya John here "might know a thing or two" about these cars here?!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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"Some people learn from watching others make mistakes, and some people have to pee on the electric fence themselves..."
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Uh huh. AND.... "All I know is what I read...at BA.com!" 
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I beg to differ with the adverse comments re this wonderful little car. Mine was reliable, sporty (for the money), economical and gave me a huge grin every time i took it out. Mind you it was three years old with only 2500 miles on the clock when i bought it 
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I beg to differ with the adverse comments re this wonderful little car.
Mine was reliable, sporty (for the money), economical and gave me a huge grin every time i took it out.
Mind you it was three years old with only 2500 miles on the clock when i bought it
And so Mark, with that last line and disclaimer of yours there, basically what you're saying IS that IF SOMEHOW Brad had access to some sort of a time machine and was able to RETURN to those "Halcyon Days of Yore"[the 1970s], and was to pick up a three year old or newer model of a Spitfire with extremely low mileage, THEN most of John's warnings here would be irrelevant...right?!
(Hmmmmm....now if I could only find that phone number of Mr.Peabody's, THEN Brad is home free!...ya know, I always like to be helpful around here)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Another one right here in central Texas... 1976 Ford Triumph TR7: "Then tragedy struck!"  http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1026355855.html 
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The "tragedy" was probably the realization that it was a money pit...
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I beg to differ with the adverse comments re this wonderful little car.
Mine was reliable, sporty (for the money), economical and gave me a huge grin every time i took it out.
Mind you it was three years old with only 2500 miles on the clock when i bought it
AND it was a UK car in the UK...
I was quite proud of my last (third) Spit, until I realized how much money and time I'd spent on the little clown car and that my "memories" of what a fast and sporty little car it was were from when I didn't have such a hard time bending in two to get inside. It also scared the C-R-A-P out of me when dealing with all the pick ups and SUV's running around in which the clueless drivers couldn't see me driving beside them. Finally, the darned "engineers" who designed the electrics put in a grand total of THREE fuses for the entire car! THREE!!! 
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Finally, the darned "engineers" who designed the electrics put in a grand total of THREE fuses for the entire car! THREE!!!
You should have added a subpanel 
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Learned to drive a manual tranny on an early 70's Spitfire. Older kid in my neighborhood, who apparently didn't expect it to last much longer.....
That $2,400 TX car sure "looks" good on the internet....
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---There is no such thing as "good mechanical condition" in a Spitfire. It's just a temporary state. One can only assume that your experience with Spitfires has been less than satisfactory, eh John?!?!? But I have to ask.. was your goal restoration or just transportation? Do you feel the same about all the Triumph line of autos, or just the Spit? I'm not looking at doing a restore, just something to drive in and around town. Was originally looking at the spitfire due to it's costs around here.. initial purchase and a 'parts' car could be had for a few thousand total for both, and replacement parts seem to be readily available from multiple sources. Seems I might be able to do the same with a TR6 or perhaps a GT6.. good thing I'm in no hurry. And thanks for the BMW suggestion, but I absolutely hate those things for no real rational reason Cheers, Brad
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My '72 Spitfire was quite reliable once I got it on the road. Of course I had to do some work on it as it had been sitting in a old lady's garage for 15-20 years and she was using it to store her potted plants (NOT pot plants!). Any work I did afterwards was usually directly proportional to my mechanical stupidity.
The only support I'll give to the rant is about expenses. Original Triumph parts can be quite expensive. I didn't have the money and normally used headed on down to the salvage yard to shop. FYI, Fiat and MG parts match up pretty darn well!
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...FYI, Fiat and MG parts match up pretty darn well!
Coincidence you should mention those other brands here, Cale. Earlier I was thinking of mentioning to Brad here that if he was looking for a relatively inexpensive little open-seater, and if he wasn't heart-set on only a Spitfire, if he might consider also looking into some old Fiat 124 or Alfa Romeo Spiders, or some old MGBs instead. And, I was also thinking that an old Myers Manx dune buggy might also fall into this category somewhat.
(and so Brad...whatcha think, dude???)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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if he wasn't heart-set on only a SpitfireNO, no, no.. not set on a spitfire, just throwing out a query! I do want something that I can get parts for fairly easily, and the wife has come flat out and told me I can't get an MG (some past horror experience or something that she refuses to talk about!)! Heck, at this rate, I might as well just go out and buy a '79 Corvette and be done with it Cheers, Brad
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Not a bad idea either there! You could probably find a pretty nice late '70s C3 Corvette in pretty good shape for a reasonable price. However, the early C3s (pre-'74, before they started de-tuning them for emission control purposes) are getting up there in price nowdays, especially the Big Blocks.
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If I was looking for a Brit sports car I would want another MGA I loved that car.
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---There is no such thing as "good mechanical condition" in a Spitfire. It's just a temporary state.
One can only assume that your experience with Spitfires has been less than satisfactory, eh John?!?!?
But I have to ask.. was your goal restoration or just transportation? Do you feel the same about all the Triumph line of autos, or just the Spit? I'm not looking at doing a restore, just something to drive in and around town. Was originally looking at the spitfire due to it's costs around here.. initial purchase and a 'parts' car could be had for a few thousand total for both, and replacement parts seem to be readily available from multiple sources. Seems I might be able to do the same with a TR6 or perhaps a GT6.. good thing I'm in no hurry. And thanks for the BMW suggestion, but I absolutely hate those things for no real rational reason
Cheers,
Brad
It's a long story, but the car was acquired as a result of a post I made a couple years ago on this very forum from a very nice man in New Mexico named Budweiser. I got it out of nostalgia, and it was fun to restore, but it cost way more than I anticipated or what the car was worth.
If you want one, then go for it. If I still had the LCC (Little Clown Car), I'd offer it to you. PM me with your E-address, and I'll send you some pictures.
Victoria British sells Spitfire restoration parts, but most are made in Taiwan or are not the same fit and finish as the original. Sometimes that's a good thing...
Stay away from anyone selling parts on E-bay. Most I bought were worse than what I was trying to replace, and you have shipping costs on top of whatever you pay.
If you are into it as an (expensive) hobby, then go for it. I've been there, done that, and have a couple T-shirts as momentos, and I can check "restore British sports car" off my bucket list.
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MY b.f. got one while we were in college... way fun car, but he was ALWAYS fixing something... but then we put 60000 miles on it in 9 months...including over the summer... and yeah, we were always going somewhere, work, sports car ralleys, head into western PA from Ohio, drive till time to come home, get out a map and figure out WTF we were....<BG>
And yeah, Lucas was the prince of darkness...VERY frequently...<LOL>
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Errr everyone who I know who owned an MG midget, TR6,7, spitfire all moaned about electrics, leaking water and oil, overheating. Even the newer MGF isn't all that great.
You have to remember these were built by British Leyland, need I say more?
If you want to get a small sports car I would say go for a mazda mx 5. Cheap, loads of spares and reasonably reliable and looks good.
Otherwise why waste money on a two seater car - get another bike.
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Can't compare an MGA to any of the cars you just mentioned. Different animal.
Never had a problem with to speak of, nothing that didn't happen to any other car of it's era. Now the real prince of darkness is who ever made the electrics on the corvette looking Opel GT. My sister had 2 and they both had bad electrical problems. She used to charge the battery and go as far as that charge would take her then charge again. It always ran and was a fun little car though.
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Ok, between the warnings from John and others, along with the notorious Lucas electrical legend, I scrapped the spitfire idea I guess the only Triumph in the garage will be the speedy. For the curious, I wound up getting a '73 VW Super Beetle that was in excellent all original shape (except for paint) and not a speck of rust. Gawd I just love the smell of old cars in the morning! Cheers, Brad
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73 Super Beetle, my uncle had one of those he had bought new.. yellow no less. Kinda cool little car.
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For the curious, I wound up getting a '73 VW Super Beetle
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I'm sorry that you changed your mind on the spit. Again,I have driven my GT6 for many thousands of miles with only ordinary mechanical problems. But I respect anybody who wants to restore an antique, even a cute little VW. I'll be sure and wave at you as I blast by ya,  with the pretty little blonde in the seat, who loves sports cars, next to me. (Hope my wife doesn't find out!)Cheers!
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I had several old VW bugs over the years, loved them all. Never had a super beetle unless you count a 63 with a 914 engine and trans in it as super! My dad did have a brand new Super Beetle though and it was a cool car. I would like to find one around here to cut up into a trike.
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I love the smell of old VWs...
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I kinda miss that car but was happy to ship it to John who did a wonderful job with it. I still have 68 model but do not remember where I parked it. Seriously, it is somewhere in the village of Corrales which is only 5 miles from my house. It has been MIA for about five years now. Not really concerned.
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