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Lane Splitting OK?
#313407 02/05/2009 1:40 PM
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These guys say yes... article


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H*ll! I've been tryin' to explain to folks this very same thing AND for the very same reasons for YEARS now!

(...but do they LISTEN???!!!)

HOWEVER, in the defense of those non-riding folks who can't seem to fathom how this practice can possibly be safe at all, those non-riding folks often DO SEE some moronic SQUIDS pass between them and the car next to them at WAY too fast a speed while said squid is lane-splitting.

And so, JUST LIKE the morons who ride their motorcycles around with WAY too loud of exhausts, BOTH of these type of clowns DO US ALL a DISSERVICE in regards to how motocycles AND motorcyclists are perceived by the non-riding general public, and thus often eventually the powers-that-be pass ill-informed legislation which restricts ALL motorcyclists(and that includes YOU and ME who may possess modicum common sense when it comes the these issues) from these practices(lane-splitting AND exhaust-modification) "thanks to" the above mentioned squids and attention seeking morons!!!

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The lanes in that photo look much wider than most I've seen. Drivers here can barely stay within their own lane, let alone leave enough rooom for four feet of motorcycle.


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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California, but in the other 49 states it is generally regarded as illegal.

I myself feel that lane splitting (when done correctly) is much safer, when in heavy traffic. When I lived in California I owned a Honda Goldwing (1979 GL1000), and split the lane whenever possible.

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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California, but in the other 49 states it is generally regarded as illegal.

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Yeah, it's kind of ironic, ain't it Tom?! One of few places in this country which DOES ALLOW this practice is here in what some of those in the rest of the country refer to as "The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia" where everything ELSE seems to be OVER-regulated!!!

(yep...it's soooo friggin' ironic that it's almost O.Henry-esque!!!)


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You got us Dwight. Californica is sooooooo enlightened...




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You got us Dwight. Californica is sooooooo enlightened...







Well, I suppose at least one small PART of it located in the South Bay section of Los Angeles County is anyway, John!


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California restricted? I was WAO when I lived there


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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California,




Lane spitting is discouraged whilst wearing a full-face helmet.

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I won't lane spit unless the traffic is stopped.
Too easy to get squeezed out, there's no place to go.
It is illegal in Florida, so I take my time checking
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It may be legal but as a Drill Sergent once said to us ..."there is a fine line between Red-A-- & Dumb- A-- , don't cross it !"

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Well Daniel, I'm not exactly sure what your old D.I. meant there, but I'm guessing if with the "fine line" thing he meant that "moderation in all things" is a pretty smart practice to follow in life, such as when one is lane-splitting that they go about it at a moderate rate of speed(UNLIKE those "Squids" who I mentioned above), then I'd say that tough old bird might've been onto somethin' there, ALRIGHT!!!!


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Even IF it's legal, it's the IMPRESSION it has on others. Cagers MAY get really irritated, and make a bad judgement manuver out of a heat of the moment attitude.
Good luck!


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erle #313420 02/06/2009 9:59 PM
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GEEEE! And one would think that with the pleasant weather they have in Florida, that most folks would be a little more "laid-back" about this whole lane-splinttin' thing, wouldn't one?! Yep! JUST LIKE a certain OTHER STATE out west that enjoys pleasant weather most days and which ALSO allows lane-splitting!

(in other words erle, I can't remember the last time a Californian cagers purposely did something like that to me...IN FACT, whenever I'm splitting lanes on the freeways, most of the cagers HERE more over for me and give me a little extra room to get by!!!)

(AND BTW...I do not, can not, and WILL NOT EVER understand the mentality of those idiot cagers who might feel the way you described here, and so, what I'D like to do to all those that MAY feel that way is to grab 'em by the friggin' collar and "inform" them that: "While I am helping decrease the congestion of the highway that they're presently stuck on, I'm ALSO taking my friggin' LIFE in my hands by simply being ON this motorcycle and ON the same friggin' road as all of you cagers here right now, and SOOOOOOO, if you're a little envious of my lane-splitting here and that I'll get to my destination WAY before YOU WILL, then BUY A FRIGGIN' MOTORCYCLE TOO, you friggin' moron!!!")


(ah...I feel SO MUCH better now!)


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from year one motorcycles and motorcyclists have had a bad rep.personaly i dont give a ****** if you think im a moron for havin loud pipes its the first thing i do when i get any bike so the fekin cage drivers can here me comin.since ive been loud there hasnt been one incident where ive had someone pull out on me.as for lane splitting as you boyos call it the only drivers ive had to deal with hav heard me comin an tried to stop me makin progress. ******. yeah ime attention seeking the more they see me the more ile be ok. the powers that be are always gonna be on our case cos they havnt got the nuts to do what we do always tryin to wrap people in cotton wool. well fek em

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Well Will, before this thread gets into a debate about REALLY LOUD exhausts and their viability as a "safety measure", I just want to say here that "from year one motorcycles and motorcyclists" HAVEN'T always "had a bad rep". NOPE! You see. there WAS a time long long ago BEFORE the likes of folks such as Sonny Barger(he of Hells Angels "fame") came roaring down the pike on their motorcycles to "help give" that "bad rep" of which you speak a "little boost" in the minds of many of the non-riding general public, motorcycles were viewed as a means of general purpose transportation. YEP! That TRUE! Look it up if you don't believe me.

And ahhhhh BTW...Ya wanna know what I think REALLY SAVED my A$$ and has kept ME ALIVE all these 40+ years of riding these babies around in this friggin' horrendous traffic of LOS ANGELES? Well, it's the little stuff you see, like remembering to stay out of cagers BLIND SPOTS, and slowing down a bit and having those two fingers on my right hand "a'ready" to squeeze the front brake lever, if I'm coming up to an intersection and if I have the SLIGHTEST INKLING that the cagers headed the opposite way might pull some boneheaded stunt and make a left turn right in front of me!!!

YEAH!!! THAT'S some of the things I FEEL that keep my butt from being SIX FEET UNDER to this very day!

AND it had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with ever having any motorcycles of MINE produce enough friggin' NOISE to WAKE THE FRIGGIN' DEAD, and ANNOY those cagers out there who may be inclined to think of the afforementioned Sonny friggin' BARGER whenever they see or especially HEAR a motorcycle going down the friggin' STREET!!!



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I can't remember the last time a Californian cagers purposely did something like that to me...IN FACT, whenever I'm splitting lanes on the freeways, most of the cagers HERE more over for me and give me a little extra room to get by!!!)



If thats true, then my state & your state couldn't be more different! (as in night & day, east coast/west coast, seat up/seat down, etc.)


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Well erle, you DO have a HECK of a LOT of Ex-NEW YORKERS down your way, DON'T CHA???!!!

(yep...I'm thinkin' THAT ALONE could explain the difference in the "courtesy factor" here, DUUUUUUDE!!!)


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hey dwight hope your not tryin to be an "attention seeking moron" with the fancy car ya got there

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A 550 Spyder replica "fancy"?
Very basic cool, yeah
Fancy?


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Yep! Good point there, Bill. The last time I checked, "bare-bones" isn't synonymous with "fancy", alright!

That reminds me of the first time I took Judie for a ride in it. After we hit a fog bank along the coast I asked her if she'd like me to turn on the heater. She replied, "This thing has a HEATER?" To which I replied, "NOPE. This baby is bare-bones to the core! I was just funnin' with ya there."

(she found little humor in that, BTW)


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around here overtaking on the inside is illegal
well thats what the piggies say and i get pulled quite regularly because of this
last time i was being told of about it i said to them "i'm not overtaking i'm filtering or splitting lanes which is legal as long as the other vehicles are not doing more than 30 kph"
the cop looked confused and said just don't do it again
i ride every day as i'm a bike messenger and filter through traffic and i tell them the same thing when i'm stopped as the law here is not clear and we then have to go to british or euro law we seem to get away with it
in gibraltar the porkies don't really know so we carry on with it and get away with it

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Even in California it is illegal to pass on the outside of the left or right lanes. You have to be splitting two lanes of traffic for it to be legal. When I lived in CA it was OK to split if the traffic was going 35MPH or slower, but you can only split the lane 15MPH faster than the slowing traffic. So, if all the cars are going 15MPH then I can legally split between them at 30MPH. Generally I only went about 5 -10MPH faster than the surrounding traffic.

If you have ever ridden in CA stop, and go highway traffic then you will understand why lane splitting truly benefits all.

Tom


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Amen, I found a big dually pulling an 4 wheel trailer trying to "split" the lane I was in today on a very twisty, congested road (RR2222).

These people truly need basic driving skills. Every morning you see where some fool could not keep it between the lines the previous night and the skid marks end at a tree or some other immovable object.

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Gotta back Erle on this one. Best I've ever done in FL is about 8 cars before some @$$HOLE tries to squeeze me out. I don't even bother anymore. Doesn't matter what kind of bike you're on. Make eye contact in the side mirror and it's over! Fortunately, I've never had a door opened, though I know people who have.

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Bike riders want the same respect all licensed vehicles command on the road, yet many feel they are above the law or even common sense. Personally, I think lane splitting should be illegal. It is in FL and I don't know about the rest of the U.S.

It's hard enough for cagers to see bikes where they are supposed to be much less where they shouldn't be. Inciting more road rage doesn't help either.


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Bob, Bob, Bob!!! HOW many TIMES do I have to ATTEMPT to explain to you folks around here who evidently live in places were it SEEMS that it's some kind of test of some cager's "MANHOOD" or some MISPLACED idea of "discourteous behavior" by those morons THAT these MISguided and MIS-informed BELIEFS that lane splitting is "dangerous" and/or "rude", AND that the cagers in those areas who THINK that WAY are....WRONG...not ONLY about the BASIC CONCEPT, BUT that these cagers somehow have the "responsiblity to "correct the behavior" of lane splitting motorcyclist by cutting them off or "opening a friggin' car door on 'em" or by ANY OTHER such acts upon a motorcyclist who IS IN FACT endangering NO ONE, if the lane splitting is done in a reasonable and PRUDENT MANNER, like it's done HERE in "KALIFORNIA" every friggin' DAY of the WEEK????

(and so I ASK once AGAIN...WHAT IS IT WITH YOU FLORIDIANS and YOU FOLKS IN EVERY OTHER PART OF THIS COUNTRY THAT YOU CAN NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE LITTLE FRIGGIN' CONCEPT???...HUH?????....H*LL, IF WE "NUTTY KALIFORNIANS" CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, WHAT'S THE FRIGGIN" PROBLEM WITH THE REST YOU SO-CALLED "REAL AMERICANS" OUT THERE...HUH????!!!!!)



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You got us Dwight. Californica is sooooooo enlightened...







And soooooooo....YEAH, John!!! "Maybe" at least in THIS ONE friggin' REGARD, we "Californicas" ARE sooooooooo friggin' "enlightened"!!!!

(though I'm thinkin' there probably is a few OTHER issues WE YAHOOS HERE "might be" a little more "enlightened" about than are the REST of YOU YAHOOS OUT THERE, TOO!!!)



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Sorry, I just don't like "space invaders"! If a car were riding across the inside lane it is considered reckless driving. The lanes are there to provide adequate space for all vehicles to ride in. Last May I was driving a truck on the interstate when two sport bikes flew through with minimal space. Right before I had been hit with a gust of wind that pushed me to the line. If it had happened when they were going through, at least one of them would have been down. It freaked out me and the driver of the car passing me.

Common sense to me, stay in your lane. If you want to ride two bikes staggered, that's fine, but don't be riding on the lines between lanes. It reckless driving.

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Well Bob, I'm about to give you what I believe is an pretty decent analogy regarding your experience with those two SQUIDS on sportbikes who flew past you that day, with a certain californian NUMBSKULL who's become known in this world as "Octo-Mom" AND her clueless doctor, and THEN I'm going to ask you a question here...

Seeing as how "Octo-Mom" and her MD used the practice of invetro-fertilivation to create 14 new mouths to feed that she'll of course NEVER be able to afford food for let alone every OTHER cost of raising 14 kids would entail, would you ALSO then BAN the practice of THAT "procedure" that many childless couples use to have their own rugrat that they've always wanted, just because THOSE TWO MORONS in california evidently don't know what "REASONABLE and PRUDENT" means? HUH????

Look, EVEN HERE in "Kalifornia" those two friggin' SQUIDS that ruffled your feathers that time would have received a MOVING VIOLATION for THOSE friggin' antics if there would have been a cop around.

ONCE AGAIN...EVERYBODY...Lane splitting done in a REASONABLE and PRUDENT MANNER CAN BE and OFTEN IS SAFER in congested conditions for the motorcyclist than adhering to strict "lane discipline"....and that's NOT ONLY "Common sense" as you call it, BUT that's FIRST-HAND OBSERVATION after MANY MANY MANY MANY YEARS of riding in those congested conditions around HERE!!!


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Dwight, driving is a licensed privilege on a public road. When you get a license, you agree to abide by the rules of the road, be courteous to others on the road, etc.

Not too sure about your Octo-Mom analogy. I'm not gonna argue whether we should, but we don't have laws against stupidity or require a license to bore children. It would be interesting if you had to be a certain age, pass a test, and show means of support, but not happening in my lifetime.

Stepping up education for both drivers and mothers would be moving in the right direction. Still, somehow, you have to get back to using common sense.


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Well, the ONLY way I'd try it, anywhere, would be if the cars had pick-up guides in slots in the roads like electric slot cars! (and here I thought I was reckless & crazy! )
With all the distractions (and distracted drivers)on the roads here, not to mention half are tourists, and half of those are foreigners, I have a hard enough time not getting run off the road or in a collision while driving my big ol' truck!
BUT I TOTALLY RESPECT THOSE WITH BIGGER BALLS THEN I !


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Well guys, I suppose all this then boils down to the different "driving cultures" between CA and FL.

I suppose if you've grown up in an area where lane splitting is acceptable and where almost all the cagers around you DO NOT think of this practice as "being rude" or "not using common sense", as opposed to where evidently HALF the population are "Blue Hairs" from New York, who might have a heart attack if a motorcyclist slowly went between them and the "Blue hair"'s car SIX FEET AWAY in the next lane while sitting dead stopped in traffic, such as I'm getting the impression it's like in Florida...THEN I suppose "The Sunshine State" will never come to the realization that, AT LEAST in THIS regard, "The Golden State" has it ALL OVER you poor devils down there!!!


(...OR maybe we can chalk this particular "culture difference" all up to perhaps MEXICAN-Americans just being more "laid back" than CUBAN-Americans are, HUH?!...err I mean, SI?!)


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Dwight,

I live in FL and wish I could split the lane like I use to in CA. The big difference is that in CA most of the drives are use to this happening. If it became legal in FL it would take a while (years) for all the drivers to understand 1-that it is legal, and 2-that it actually benefits all (safer for the motorcyclist when done correctly).

I don't know if lane splitting (or as they call it filtering) is legal in all of Europe, but most of the countries over there tolerate it, and most of their roads are generally narrower in width than the average road in the US.

When I lived in CA I considered lane splitting as a safety outlet. In bumper to bumper highway traffic I always moved to the white dash line (even if I didn't pass traffic). On at least one occasion the car behind me failed to stop and hit the car in front of me. If I had stayed in my lane I would have become a metal sandwich.

In multiply lane city traffic I would always split the lane at red lights. As soon as the light turned green I was gone. Riding this way on city streets I was able to travel over 80% of the time with no moving cars around me. Which to me made riding much safer.

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(though I'm thinkin' there probably is a few OTHER issues WE YAHOOS HERE "might be" a little more "enlightened" about than are the REST of YOU YAHOOS OUT THERE, TOO!!!)






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Re: Lane Splitting OK?
tcv #313443 02/17/2009 2:36 PM
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Tom,
You hit so many nails right on the ol' head in your post there, that I'm guessin' you were a member of the carpenter's union before you became a "Field Service Supervisor"!!! Am I RIGHT?!

ESPECIALLY(and for those folks here who STILL think this practice is somehow "dangerous", I want you to REALLY LISTEN UP now...) about that part where you mentioned pulling up between cars stopped at a red light and when it turns grean, PULLING AWAY FROM ALL THOSE CARS SO THEY'RE NOT ALL AROUND YOU AS YOU RIDE DOWN THE ROAD, because they end up being far far BEHIND YOU, and LESS of a potential THREAT!!!

All I can say here is....Well said, Sir! WELL SAID!!!


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
Re: Lane Splitting OK?
Dwight #313444 02/17/2009 6:36 PM
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Well guys, I suppose all this then boils down to the different "driving cultures" between CA and FL.

I suppose if you've grown up in an area where lane splitting is acceptable and where almost all the cagers around you DO NOT think of this practice as "being rude" or "not using common sense", as opposed to where evidently HALF the population are "Blue Hairs" from New York, who might have a heart attack if a motorcyclist slowly went between them and the "Blue hair"'s car SIX FEET AWAY in the next lane while sitting dead stopped in traffic, such as I'm getting the impression it's like in Florida...THEN I suppose "The Sunshine State" will never come to the realization that, AT LEAST in THIS regard, "The Golden State" has it ALL OVER you poor devils down there!!!


(...OR maybe we can chalk this particular "culture difference" all up to perhaps MEXICAN-Americans just being more "laid back" than CUBAN-Americans are, HUH?!...err I mean, SI?!)




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There's little, if any, migrated New Yorkers in northern Florida (panhandle) where I live. I would still bet there's only one blue haired New Yorker in all FL for every 4 air heads in CA.


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Re: Lane Splitting OK?
RamSound #313446 02/17/2009 7:44 PM
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Ooooh....GOOD ONE, Bob!!!

AND...you're probably RIGHT too!

(BUT, you folks there still can't help PROTECT yourself sometimes out there on the road against those crazy cagers, GET TO your destination before those crazy cagers, AND help relieve traffic CONGESTION by utilizing one very safe and simple little messure, which of course is known by the term: "LANE SPLITTING"...so THERE, dude!!!)


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