Well, just for the record I wasn't trying to "build a case" for anything. Mike's post just opened an opportunity for me to go off on a rant about Star and they way they're marketed. I don't have anything against the bikes on their own.

Perhaps in hindsight I should have put my rant in the Lounge with all the other posts of this ilk. I just thought the timing of it might somehow make Mike think I was backstabbing his tastes in bikes if I did start a new thread in the Lounge. Nope, no sense in giving the impression I was kind of/sort of talking behind his back.

ps. Speaking of trains...Doesn't Amtrak have a run along the Pacific they call the Coast Starliner?