I'll confess some amusement at the ratings stated in the first post. (No disagreement, just a chuckle). I took the original pipes off my '03 Speedmaster because, as most have noticed, they're too stinking quiet. I put the long TORs on it (they look great), but it's almost too painful to my ears to ride this thing. I'm working on placing some minor baffles in them, and I'm just curious why more owners aren't expressing the same complaint about the noise volume of these pipes. I've got some pretty good hearing, but I didn't think it was that sensitive.