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GRRR!!!! Sent to me by a friend I ride with a lot. Enough to ruin my freaking morning! How in the H-E-Double-Tootpicks does shite like this keep happening! Drive not cited! 
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Not cited yet. "Police said they are waiting for the results of lab tests to see whether drugs or alcohol played a part in the crash." If the driver was drunk or high doesn't that change the charges brought?
What I don't get is how do you stop behind a motorcycle at a light, then drive over him saying you didn't see him? YOU STOPPED BEHIND HIM. You're not at the line.
This is the more worrisome part, "His parents said Trifone enjoyed taking risks—he went skydiving, loved skateboarding and all kinds of sports." It's that old BS, "He takes risks and he knows the risk so therefore it's all on him." Of course, that's the media, not the police.
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Now tell me how the H-E-Double-Tootpicks does the driver NOT get cited for that one! Here in PA you are supposed to be aware of your surroundings and have your vehicle under control at all times, if not you get cited. (you are supposed to anyway) This drive pulled up to the light, I would imagine the bike was already there and didn't magicly appear while he was waiting for the light. The driver managed to stop without hitting the bike so that would indicate to me he saw it before he stopped. Then the light changed and the driver proceeded to run over the bike. That sounds like vehicular homicide to me.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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I would think the driver is cited for whatever Indiana law states for carelessly rolling over and killing another human being. If drugs and/or alcohol were involved then this just exacerbates the charges and raises the penalties but sounds to me like there is no freaking question of culpability!
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So far the piece of s..t that killed my friend Mike a couple months ago has only been charged with. No insurance,
driving unregistered motor vehicle and making an unsafe turn.
Civil action against him is pointless, the only thing he owns is the car.Unemployed and not likely to ever have a real job.
Not in the States best interest to go after him criminal charges. I mean there are no votes in it for anybody. No assets for the state to take.and if they lock him up. Then
the tax payers(which he apparently isnt) get saddled with
trial expence,food,cloths and medical for how ever many years.And after all he only killed a biker.
If you want justice then you need to move to a country where
they still lop heads off.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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It's not unusual for LEO to withhold charges in the aftermath of a fatality, pending reconstruction of the timeline prior to the incident, etc.
In addition to local LEO, whenever there is a fatality involving a semi, the NTSB will participate in the investigation at the federal level.
The truck driver is not out of the woods by any means.
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I was also trying to figure out how the semi truck out accelerated the bike. Horrible story though, not trying to place blame where it doesn't belong, just curious.
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Thanks Martin. Good to know this will still be looked at. Too many times you see this stuff with the perpetrator walking away with a small moving violation. If it's another car or pedestrian it's a vehicular manslaughter charge or the like.
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The Old West cliche' "he needed killin'" somehow comes to mind.
2005 America, green/gray, gutted stock pipes, tall sissy bar w/ luggage rack, Saddleman's dual touring seat and Tourmaster saddlebags (and sissybar bag).
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Well, if you read the story, it says that the Driver accelerated when the light turned green. It does not say that he was stopped. He could have been slowing to stop on red when it turned green and then just floored it while the bike was sitting still.
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How in the heck does a truck driver who is stopped at a red light in back of a motorcycle not see the motorcycle? Then drive over the motorcycle?
They should take his truck. Strap him to a Moped and run the SOB over.
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"The driver has not been cited. Police said they are waiting for the results of lab tests to see whether drugs or alcohol played a part in the crash." Sad story. Maybe they need to find a test for STUPID.
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Now, if he had run down some useless politician it would have been a whole different story.
Which reminds me, someone named Anna Crook is running for local office.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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How in the heck does a truck driver who is stopped at a red light in back of a motorcycle not see the motorcycle? Then drive over the motorcycle?
Not defending the truck driver , but have you ever driven a truck ? The hood almost completely obscures a vehicle in front . This happens quite often - a driver pulls up behind a vehicle , the light takes some time to change , the driver has forgotten about the vehicle in front , light changes , and crunch .
I always make myself a mental reminder that there's someone in front of me . 
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the driver has forgotten about the vehicle in front
Then you don't have the mental capacity to operate a motor vehicle of any size, much less a truck.
Stewart
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"It's outside your field of expertise."
"Poppycock normally is."
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the driver has forgotten about the vehicle in front
Then you don't have the mental capacity to operate a motor vehicle of any size, much less a truck.
I hope that what you MEANT to convey was " Then (one) doesn't have the mental capacity..........." , and not directed at me , personally , 'cause it COULD be read that way . In 30 + years of driving commercial vehicles , I've never ran over anyone.
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Stewart
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"It's outside your field of expertise."
"Poppycock normally is."
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OK , thanks . I had a friend driving a Pete in Fayetteville and he pulled up behing a lady from Missouri , light changed , he pushed her through 3 gears and didn't know it 'til she emerged sideways on his driver side . Stuff happens when we daydream or get otherwise distracted .
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Hey Wade, Question: Did the lady in the car that your friend pushed through 3 gears, live to tell the tale? I ask that because of the following which Friar John earlier stated above... Quote:
"This is the more worrisome part, "His parents said Trifone enjoyed taking risks—he went skydiving, loved skateboarding and all kinds of sports." It's that old BS, "He takes risks and he knows the risk so therefore it's all on him." Of course, that's the media, not the police."
You see, IF that lady did live to "tell the tale", then those folks who question the sense of those of us who ride these babies DO have a point to consider, right John?!
And while I'm not saying this kid was at fault in any manner whatsoever, DON'T FORGET that whenever we throw a leg over these machines and hit that starter button, we ARE at a higher risk of injury or death than those in cages...PERIOD!
And so folks, ALWAYS watch out...(and that means 360 degrees of watching out...which is also called the imaginary "Circle of Danger", which gets ever larger the faster you ride)...for all the distracted folks out there who may usually function in a non-moronic manner until that one fateful time they're distracted around YOU!...'cuz we ain't got no sheetmetal and airbags around us, ya know!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Yeah , Dwight , there is a principal we all know as "assumption of risk" , none of us are immune . Deer , tree limbs falling , rockslides , etc . on infinitum . It's a dangerous world at times . Just yesterday I had 2 cars look directly at me , then proceed to pull out in my path (I was on Lola) . Bet they would think twice had I been in the 31 ton LT9000 Ford . 
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Yeah , Dwight , there is a principal we all know as "assumption of risk"...
Yep! I know "we all know" about that, Wade, however I sometimes wonder IF we remember this simple principle, especially whenever somebody posts one of these "It isn't fair that this motorcyclist died today" sort of threads and the reactions I read in those threads around here about it.
That was my point.
As the old sayin' goes..."You can be dead right about somebody taking your right-of-way away from you, BUT you're still DEAD!" And so, we must ALWAYS assume EVERYBODY on the road is a friggin' moron!!!
(of course, this mindset will tend to make one a bit of a cynical ol' misanthrope, but AT LEAST a LIVE cynical ol' misanthrope, ya know!) 
(and BTW Wade...there must be some problem with PayPal lately, as I STILL haven't received that royalty payment from you as of yet!!!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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As the old sayin' goes..."You can be dead right about somebody taking your right-of-way away from you, BUT you're still DEAD!" And so, we must ALWAYS assume EVERYBODY on the road is a friggin' moron!!!
Yep.
Just yesterday some MORON and I were approaching the merge point of 2 lanes, with me in the lead in the left lane and Johnny SUV in the right lane just behind me. He ACCELERATED to get past me and would have driven me into oncoming traffic if I hadn't backed off.
Mind you, I'm wearing a HI VIZ vest and was laying on the Stebel. You would have had to be blind AND deaf to miss me.
And the whole while this insecure putz was driving with one hand on the wheel and one on his AM java.
SO I get to work and dial #77 to report aggressive drivers. Bottom line, you have to be able to report aggressive driving AS IT HAPPENS, otherwise they DO NOTHING about it.
 
It's no wonder that some riders FLIP OUT on aggressive drivers and take matters into their own hands.
I'll tell you what, I encourage ALL riders to wear HI VIZ gear. Because if you don't live to tell the tale of the wreck, at least your gear may be enough to show some MORON deserves to be punished.
Rant over. Ride safe! 
Kevin - Luceo Non Uro
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Dwight,
I did not start this thread as an attempt at a pity party. Yep, we all, including this young gentleman are/were risk takers. It is the nature of what we do. We can be as into our situational awareness, safety practices, maneuvering skills, etc. as much as we like. No matter what shite like this is still going to happen. Period! End of story!
I posted this to bring up the injustice and perhaps bias society accepts when they look at a biker. How the impact of the actions of the LEO's, the media, Joe Sixpack etc. show their approach to that philosophical quantity some call justice. And maybe, just maybe to bow our head in what ever fashion one may to show some respect in remembering the falling of a fellow motorcyclist at the hands of apparent carelessness.
Ride On!
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Correct . Not only do we have an "assumption of risk" , we must also realize an "assumption of injustice", albeit we have a great system , inequities do exist , and prejudices are lurking . BTW Dwight , have you checked yer PayPal account ?
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Ride On!
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BTW Dwight , have you checked yer PayPal account ?
Yep! I just have, Wade...and I must say it's about time! 
But dude, I know the cost of livin' here in L.A. is probably a bit more than it is in Georgia, but can one REALLY belly up to the bar back there in Griffin and order a tall frosty mug o' beer for a measly THIRTEEN CENTS???!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Should be Riding
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Manslaughter and he gets a $130.00 ticket only. Had I standing, I would file a Civil Suit against John F. Stillabower. grrr
Blowing gravel off rural roads
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