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Okay its my future brother in laws bachlor party, we got 8 dudes all together and we're in this local Irish bar, and Im on my 2nd "bought" beer (had a few before we left) Anyway this short old lady comes up to me and says "do you mind turning your hat straight"? and I just laugh it off and think shes kidding, and shes like "Im the owner of this bar, everyone IS THE SAME here, we ALL wear our hats the same way and if you dont like it you can leave"

Now about my hat positioning....Im not walking in there like the fresh prince of bel air, I wear my hat between 12 and 1 oclock, just barely a little crook. Im not a hipster or anything its just how some people wear the hat. In fact we had another guy with us who had his hat crooked too, but he turned his straight right away because all the guys there were saying "dont ruin the night dude, this is Jeffs night just listen to her"

I dont know these other 6 guys and its the first time I met them so after slowly resisting I asked her if I could wear it backwards, she said yes, so then I really thought she was full of crap, so I told her Ill take my hat off then. She says thats fine and walks away, while my brother in law starts to get mad about it, and debating on whether to leave or not.

Now fellas, Im smarter than just breaking a bottle over the lady's head. I politely put my hat back on (maybe 12.25 oclock) and waited till she came by again and got her attention. I say "excuse me mam, now that my hats completely straight I thought you'd like to know that I stopped buying beers and Im not drinking anymore."...haha Just my way of non-violent protest. She asks me why I have such a hard time with it. I told her that I live in America and I have the right to wear my hat how I like it, and asked her if she was russian and told her she was a communist..haha...Then I told her my shoelace was untied and I was wondering if there was a rule against that. She told me I was out of there in 10 minutes.

So 5 minutes later the bartender asks if I want another beer and I wave him off and he says that his boss is making him ask and that ill have to leave. And I said thats fine, your boss is gonna get 8 people on a binge drinking bachlor party kicked out of there as well. And then the bouncer came and asked me to leave..haha

Now I wasnt trying to ruin everyones night, I woulda left by myself but my brother in law was ****** bent on leaving. And we had 4 guys outside and another 4 still inside finishing their drinks. The other 4 come out and give me a hard time "why didnt you just turn your hat straight, bars have dress codes, etc"...bunch of pusies or something. I told them they didnt have to leave and Jeff was the one making that decision.

Im all good with dress codes, if a bar owner dont want you wearing sandles, or a man bikini top, thats fine..and hes got the right to turn me down at the door. But a slightly crooked hat is crap. No signs, the guy let me in with it, it was just the owners way of displaying her authority for no reason and she missed out on a decent amount of cash. Bottled beer was $4 and everyone was drinking shots. We had $80 in there in 10 minutes.

Sounds like you certainly know how to excel as an individual.

hahaha good story Tom! So.... you wear your hat crooked and you ride your bike crooked? When you walk down the sidewalk do you drift to one side side? Before you left, you should have went to the bathroom and "accidently" missed the toilet, I agree, the owner sounded like a b!tch.

And what sort of hat was this exactly?

we have a lot of bars here that have dress codes, because we also have a lot of lower class people that are involved in gang related activity. if you can prevent (more likely reduce) signs or colors, you end up with fewer confrontations and fewer disturbances.

i'm not saying you're out of order, because i don't think that you were. i think leaving was the best choice.

what kind of gentleman wears a hat inside anyway?

The great thing about this story is that everybody's "right."

The woman has the right to require her patrons to dress in a certain way.

You and your brother-in-law-to-be have the right to not patronize her business.

Ain't this a great country? That's free enterprise for you. I luvs me some capitalism.

Now of course, that woman was a massive-word-I-can't-say-here-because-I'm-a-fine-upstanding-moderator-who-always-upholds-the-AUP, but I think you can guess the word I have in mind.

And you probably didn't have to "make a point." Everyone makes choices and everyone pays the consequences...

No judgement from this corner....

Before all the pc, MADD, DUI frenzy, this area was rife with mom and pop bars and taverns. The "moms" usually ran the places and cooked. Dad took care of the liquid refreshments and cleaning up the place. A lot of these places had certain rules they wanted obeyed - don't put your cigarette on the edge of the pool table, don't put your beer bottle on the pinball machine glass, if you hurl you're cleaning it up, etc.
If you came in there with the idea you were "special" you would leave never to return. If you listened to mom and pop, it became like a second home. Good people, good times, helping each other out, that sort of thing.

Most of those types of places are gone now along with the type of people who ran them.
I miss that kind of atmosphere.....

I guess my generation gap is showing. When I was still going to bars, if you wore your hat in a bar you bought a round for the house. No exceptions.

I think you forgot the one tenet that applies to most businesses and especially to drinking establishments.....

Walk into most bars anywhere and you will likely see a simple straightforward declaration....

"We reserve the right to withhold service to anyone" or words to that effect.

I suppose even in this day and age that could be construed as just about any reason they see fit.

Perhaps so especially in an old school Irish drinking establishment

There are probably some bars that not only would have evicted you but the bouncers might have taken the opp to rough you up a bit.

Having been 86ed from a few drinking establishments in my youth ...I'd say without prejudice ......

She may have been a ****** but it was her bar and her right to be that ******. Irish ****** being extraordinary in that regard.

LOL! Being predominantly Irish, I can relate to that statement.

Any proper business establishment, particularly smaller ones (mom and pop) are perfectly legitimatized in having whatever rules they want to have. Think of it like when you were growing up in your parent's house, and they would say, "If you don't like it, leave. It's my house, my rules"

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what kind of gentleman wears a hat inside anyway?

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Yes, bravo -- + 1 on this.................

Why exactly is this lady a b!tch???? Because she has rules in her establishment - her private property? Because she asked you to do something, and against the advice of your friends- you mocked her and gave her a hard time, and then she asked you to leave?

The night wasn't about you, you weren't supposed to be the center of attention, it was your bro-in-law's night out, but you couldn't just go with the flow????


NO SHOES
NO SHIRT
NO DICE

This isnt an issue with no shirt, no shoes, no service, this is an issue with a ball cap on a tiny bit crooked. How come she said it was ok to wear it backwards? Why do so many of you guys have a problem with someone wearing a hat inside? I, for one, almost always wear a baseball hat. OOOOO, I wear it in a bar, so F'n what? I wont wear one in a nice restaurant, but Taco Bell doesnt fall in that category. That is an aged rule, and face the facts, people wear hats indoors now. Tom fixed his hat, but then said he was done drinking, that should have been the end, but she decided that wasnt enough. It sounds like she missed out on a good deal of money, too. Personally, I avoid the typical Irish bars, too many times have I seen a naked fat dude in the bar, and too many times have I heard Tommy Boy sung by a bunch of drunks. I'm a big boy, I can take the flaming I'm about to get.

Like I said before, I understand that bars have rules, dress codes, whatever...if I dont like it then I can leave. But dont you think that a slightly crooked hat is a bit overboard? I coulda turned my head and bumped into my buddy and just not known it was a little crooked for all this lady knew. It was also the way she talked to me about it. It wasnt exactly explaining the rules of her establishment. The tone was "obey me, i am the owner" and Im sorry but theres plenty of bars around the corner that will let me blow my money with a crooked hat. If my brother in law told me to be cool I would of respected his wish, but he was a bit madder than me about it, and was ready to leave. Thats why I decided to obey the rules and just not drink anymore. But of course I had to let her know that...haha I understand my consequences completely, I didnt expect to "win" that night. Does that make it not worth the effort?

Honestly Im a pretty easy going guy, theres a couple on here that can vouch for that. But the way I was raised was to stand up for what I believe in. I dont have to take "orders" from anyone except my boss and law enforcement. Show me a sign that says no crooked hats and I'll conform. Stop me at the door and tell me I cant get in with a hat like that, and I'll straighten it. But dont expect me to obey your selective drill sergeant demands. Im the one paying YOU money.

As far as the gentleman not wearing a hat thing, Im sure thats dead and gone. Of course Im not a gentleman so I wouldnt know. Maybe in a high scale drinking facility, but sports bars arent too strict on beer drinking football fans and their home team sports memorabilla.

And the mom and pop bars are still around. Im pretty sure I was talking to the owner and not one of the cronies. I like those type of bars honestly. Rules like keeping cigarettes off the pool table and not spitting on the floor make sense. Rules like "no people with purple hair" are just discrimination.

No, the point here is "attitude". Crooked hats, backwards hats and lip. It's just like my little grandkids that just like to pursue things a little bit further to prove their point. Usually ends up with a spanking.

Yes, but when the bar owner's attitude conflicts with the customer, the customer loses. Actually they both do. In the long run the bar owner loses more I think. Seems like most people are just focusing on one "side" or the other. I'm more of a "big picture" guy I guess.

You're exactly right there, John.

(but gee...I'm sure Tom looks so much more "rakish" with his cap turned in that ever so "jaunty" "1 o' clock" manner, right Tom?!)

Learn it, know it , live it.

Now heres a man I wouldnt let into my bar

Lucky he isn't around anymore or you would be getting a visit from the flat nose boys.

You weren't singled out as there was not a group of crooked hat wearers. You were asked to comply with a rule that you didn't agree with. And just like a little kid you just had to get the next little dig in to the owner/employees. And then another... that is attitude... and that's what gets the spanking. Not buying a beer was just an excuse to get the guy with the attitude out before you escalated the situation. I've been in plenty of bars without buying a beer. I'm sure the other guys you were with, and had just met,were impressed that you were able handle the situation so maturely.

Tom is an easygoing protester.

Don't take this wrong, I'm just asking...are you punk? I understand from my kids that wearing a hat at a angle means you're a punk. They say that a attitude comes with wearing your hat at an angle like that.

I don't know about this personally but someone, just today, was explaining that the angle that you wear your hat indicates the type of drugs you are dealing. Judging by the number of people who wear their hats cocked there must be an awful lot of drug dealers around.

When I was riding with the Ancient Wheels, our primary hangout was closed after the building owner decided to not renew the lease after some 18 years. We went to a new place that had a "no colors" policy. To maintain the peace, I would take off my vest after walking in, fold it and place it on the table with the patch showing. They never said anything because it was off. We had a prospect that came in wearing a Harley jacket and they asked him to take it off. He said, "Sure, as soon as that guy over there takes off his Porsche colors".

I got thrown out of a bar once for taking off my pants on a dare. Not everyone was offended. but some peoples' feelings were hurt. I don't drink anymore.

Maybe I'm crazy but When I'm in a bar, having a cold drink in my hand is much more important than making a stand on something stupid like hat angle