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Ignition interlock on all vehicles means you have a breathalizer in you car that you have to pass with nothing on your breath before you can start your vehicle. Long trips require a retake every 30 minutes.
Now that is a good idea, we probably do not do this in the UK as it costs a lot to install.
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Ignition interlock on all vehicles means you have a breathalizer in you car that you have to pass with nothing on your breath before you can start your vehicle. Long trips require a retake every 30 minutes.
Now that is a good idea, we probably do not do this in the UK as it costs a lot to install.
They looked at this but it breaches Human rights ....It was determined that it could bar people from working as companies would have to have the machines installled on the vehicles.
It was also pointed out that Alcoholism is an illness and as such people should not be punished / discriminated against by employers for suffering from an illness.
You couldnt make this stuff up really.
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I'm sat here in shock.
Not at what happened to the original post (****** happens mate but you shouldn't have left the scene) but the fact people are condoning the fact that one drink is fine to drive/ride.
IT'S NOT.
In a grown up world, adults are responsible and know not to drink before taking control of a life threatening machine.
End of.
Gina
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I decided to have a look at what limits are in place around the world so as you see below quite a difference. Also one of the main points that are highlighted shown below is the age factor. As many of the guys on this site have pointed age brings experience.
Newly qualified drivers
Newly qualified drivers are felt to be particularly at risk of alcohol-related road crashes as a result of their limited driving experience. The highest rates of drink-drive accidents per 100,000 license holders occur in the 17 to 19 age group, followed by those in the 20 to 24 age group.
The 23 European Union countries with a 50mg or less BAC are:
Austria (50mg), Belgium (50mg), Bulgaria (50mg), Cyprus (to change from 90mg to 50mg), Czech Republic (0mg), Denmark (50mg), Estonia (20mg), Finland (50mg), France (50mg), Germany (50mg), Greece (50mg), Hungary (0mg), Italy (50mg), Latvia (50mg), Lithuania (40mg), Netherlands (50mg), Poland (20mg), Portugal (50mg), Romania (0mg), Slovakia (0mg), Slovenia (50mg), Spain (50mg), and Sweden (20mg).
Only UK, Ireland, Luxembourg, and Malta have an 80mg limit.
Studies in Sweden, Australia and the USA have consistently found lowering legal blood alcohol limits to produce reductions in the incidence of drink-driving and related crashes.
I am having difficulty in the disparity that is shown in the above table is it not time we went for a “zero tolerance†world wide and that also goes for drugs as well. Get caught drink driving in the UK and it’s an automatic 1 year ban. The main problem is that the majority who do persist in drink driving continue to re offend and do not care about the consequences such as the OP. If every body uses the Zero tolerance approach then nobody can say I was not aware. The OP is lucky nobody is hurt. Every body went home in one piece.
My thoughts are simple the OP is selfish and misguided. I hope that the ban is a severe one once we can all make mistake we have made them. Twice is totally careless and should be treated as having medical or psychological issues. Third time well then you have a habit and should be removed from the road completely.
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It would appear that a few here think that drink-driving is acceptable. I'm just curious as to how many of those people have suffered loss due to a drink-driver. Not to have a go, but what if the person that Aaron crashed into was someone you knew...on their bike? A lapse of judgement is forgetting your waterproofs or running out of fuel a few miles from home. (Incidentally, a Long Island Iced Tea is a minimum of 5 shots. In the UK, that'd be 125ml of spirit. If the measures in the US are anything like the measures on the Continent (Europe), then you're probably talking 1/2 a bottle of spirits over the 2 drinks.) Quote:
Trust me guys I'm not trying to beat the system. I didn't. It won. Yes I'm very happy I didn't kill anybody, or injure any person who is inocent. Yes, I'm in a serious predicament, and yes I need to desperately change my ways. I've attended 11 AA meetings in my area, and if anyone has attended one of these, I can't get past step one. Step one: "Admit it YOU are powerless over alcohol." I quit drinking for 3 weeks, i'm not an alcoholic. Yes three weeks may sound like nothin to non drinkers, but I have moderated big time. I only drink when I am at home, and do not need to drive anywhere. That, I think, is my step one. We can sit and think about could've's here, but things didn't happen and everything happens for a reason. My reason is I really need to stop drinking and driving and take it much seriously.
I'm sorry to anyone who has been a victim to such a shameful act. Whether its family or personal, I'm sorry.
I'm lucky nothing serious has happened from my drinking and driving.
Aaron, it would appear that you've just passed Step 1. Now, follow it through! 
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There is another thing no one has brought up. Most people don't need AA counseling. They need ignition key counseling. If it doesn't cause you to miss work, or screw up on the job; If it doesn't cause you to not pay your bills; If it doesn't ruin your relationships; You don't have a problem with alcohol.  So take a cab. Walk. Use a DD. Rent a limo. For the amount I spent on my DUI I could have hired a parade with a marching band to pick me up and carry me home.
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Aaron, it would appear that you've just passed Step 1. Now, follow it through!
Aaron-
Long Island Iced Teas were a favorite of mine, precisely for the 5 shots in each drink.
I got sober 22 years ago at 24 years old. Life is pissa sober. Lucky me. I'm the woman I want to be, doing the things I want to do.
The first step actually reads:
"We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable."
2 DUIs, the threat of job loss and loss of personal freedom (no driving) and staying with a girlfriend so you get free legal help sounds pretty unmanageable to me!
I discovered that I'm only powerless over alcohol if I take the first drink.
Google "sober bikers" and find some in your area.... or find an AA meeting that is geared to folks who ride. In my area it's a Monday night meeting called "In The Wind"- I've been connected to people in that group for over 20 years; on Sunday a bunch of us rode and then spent 6 hours partying, dancing and laughing at a Blues festival on a perfect late summer day. Life doesn't STOP when you don't drink.
A saying I like..."The bottom is where you stop digging the hole." You can put down the shovel at any time.
Peace to you Aaron- reach out for help here anytime. There are folks on this board who will gladly help you hook up with support in your area.
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I've had one other thought since my original post.
If I was caught Drunk Driving, I could lose my job. If I was found at work over the 80mg limit Eric posted above, I WOULD LOSE MY JOB. The same for drugs. If I take any prescription drug I have to tell work and they get it checked with a OccHealth company (BUPA). The painkillers I was on for my back would have got me sacked if I hadn't told them I was on them. Antibiotics are another one.
If I lost my job I'd lose my home, my bikes, everything.
It ain't worth it.
Gina
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The same for drugs. If I take any prescription drug I have to tell work and they get it checked with a OccHealth company (BUPA). The painkillers I was on for my back would have got me sacked if I hadn't told them I was on them. Antibiotics are another one.
If I lost my job I'd lose my home, my bikes, everything.
It ain't worth it.
Let me get this straight, you are compelled to inform your employer of any prescription drugs you are taking or you are in jeapardy of losing your job? Is this common practice in the UK, or do you have a job which has particular requirements and this is done for safety purposes (like heavy equipment operation, or other industrial work)? If it's common practice for every job - including office work - then I'm even more convinced that Big Brother is alive and well in Great Britain. 
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No. My job is called safety critical. Me, as a Guard and train Drivers are responsible for anything up to 1000 people at any one time. However for ease for the company and as any railway employee can be called on to help in an emergency (and that's written into contracts...) it covers all staff all the time while at work.
I suspect it's the same for railway workers in most countries. Would you want to be on a train with a drunk driver or guard...?
However if caught DD it's a criminal offense and I have to let them know about all of them - I also deal with money.
Gina
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Thank you for your support triumph goddess. Thats really what I'm in need of right now.
I love my girlfriend, and I'm not using her. I will pay whatever her dad asks me to, but he is choosing not to charge me for it. We get along like that. One of these days I would like to take her hand in marriage, but I've gotta get through this financially first.
My heart goes out to anybody who has lost a loved one like this, for it is one of easy appearance of avoidability.
Things are going to change for I will NEVER let this happen again. I consider myself lucky that nothing worse has come of this.
Just for FYI:
Missouri law passed in March of 2006 that in any accident no matter who is at fault. If a driver in the accident has a .03 (3%) BAC or higher, it is their fault. They could be sitting at a stop light and be severely rearended by a cell phone driver, but still be at fault due to their alcohol level. Legal driving in MO is .08 8% or lower. Legal accidents are .029 or lower. I did not know this til now.
Life lesson.
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No. My job is called safety critical. Me, as a Guard and train Drivers are responsible for anything up to 1000 people at any one time. However for ease for the company and as any railway employee can be called on to help in an emergency (and that's written into contracts...) it covers all staff all the time while at work.
I suspect it's the same for railway workers in most countries. Would you want to be on a train with a drunk driver or guard...?
However if caught DD it's a criminal offense and I have to let them know about all of them - I also deal with money.
Thanks for clarifying. Sounds like pretty much the same 'common sense' guidelines as we have over on this side for transportation workers and the like, but one can never be certain whether Big Brother is stepping in or not nowadays.
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Thank you for your support triumph goddess. Thats really what I'm in need of right now.
I love my girlfriend, and I'm not using her. I will pay whatever her dad asks me to, but he is choosing not to charge me for it. We get along like that. One of these days I would like to take her hand in marriage, but I've gotta get through this financially first.
Anytime, Aaron.
I'm glad you love your girlfriend not just for her lawyer daddy .... Now get yourself busy getting your s*%t together (not just financially) so that you'll be the man she wants to say yes to. 
"Let your soul shine,
It's better than sunshine,
It's better than moonshine,
****** sure better than rain."
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...the fact people are condoning the fact that one drink is fine to drive/ride. IT'S NOT...
Legal blood alcohol limits afford the law a presumption of intoxication. Having one beer impairs. Sleep deprivation impairs. OTC and Prescription drugs impair. For all the above, technically, a DUI can be had. The legal presumption notwithstanding.
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I'm guessing you don't remember the president of MADD getting a DUI 2 years ago do you. Bunch of hypocrites.
That one ****** me off, but you redeemed yourself in later comments. I just hope you're serious.
Believe me when I say it IS one-day-at-a-time, but YOU are responsible for each of those days.
Yeah, I take it personally. My first experience with DUI was when my neighbor ran off the road and crossed the sidewalk. I was knocked into the ditch, but my friend was caught under the car and dragged the rest of the way to his house. The driver went inside and grabbed another beer while her body remained stuck under his car. She was six years old - the same age as the driver's son. He went to jail, but imagine what his wife and son went through living across the street from Sally's parents while they waited for him to get out.
And I've been to way more than a dozen AA meetings with friends, drank the stale coffee and smoked the cigarettes. Hidden their keys and sometimes their cars. No, I'm not a do-gooder. I've been there and done that, but only drove drunk once. I was lucky and woke up in the median wondering where I was. From that point on, I made the conscious decision not to risk it all by driving drunk. Once is a mistake. More than that is just irresponsible.
Hope you take it seriously, before it takes you.
And yep, we just fired 2 where I work as a result of their DUI convictions. One supervisor, one custodian. $65K a year - gone in an instant!
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I have to say that I agree with 1 is too many to drive.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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i'm gonna hang real close to yota and charlie at the arkansas rally, where i won't be tempted by alcohol. what are friends for anyway???i should be in good hands,,,yes???
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Look at the bright side -- if you were in CT, a 2nd offense means you do time -- no ifs, ands, or buts about it
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I'm sorry to have offended you, as I know several people on here have had some pretty serious cases against drunk drivers.
I'm not getting fired from my job. Honeywell does not have a care in the world. My high level security clearance does. If I lose that, I can no longer work at FM&T
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Good luck Aaron. It took a lot of courage to own up to what you did and take all the abuse from this site. I hope you learned your lesson and have a great life. Sounds like you already have a pretty good support system. Your girl friend and her father. I have to say I would have expected a little more support here. Believe me, none the members here are perfect, including myself. A measure of maturity is learning from your mistakes and getting on with your life.
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You know how it is with family, we get p/o'd at you really quick. And we forgive you really quick when you learn your lesson. 
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Well wish me luck guys, my court date is tomorrow, and I'm expecting to get my rear chewed by the judge. I deserve every bit of it though. I'll let you know tomorrow what I get booked with. If I don't respond I'm in jail 
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Well, I know all of this poor saps experiences were 'there, but for the grace of God, go I'. If my youth I was stopped a few blocks from my apartment by several police cars. I apparently didn't notice just one, that was the level of my intoxication. I was not speeding, I was going too slow. I was asked where I was going and told them one street over. They told me okay go right home and don't drive anymore tonite! The police would be sued and/or fired for such a move nowadays.(36 years ago, and I was under age).
My point is, drinking is a chance for you to destroy your life. If you don't do it driving, you'll do it with trouble with some family member, or losing your job, etc.
This young man is gonna face up to his problems, as he's showing understanding of his mistake. I wish him good luck on his journey.
And by the way, I see, every time I go to a local restaurant, the 'boys' drinking a few, then roaring off on their Harleys. I'm just not that talented a rider I guess.
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Let me get this straight, you are compelled to inform your employer of any prescription drugs you are taking or you are in jeapardy of losing your job?
It's pretty close to the same in the US. An exerpt from a fully legal drug testing policy under US DOT:
"Employees who, under a physicians care and have a prescription, shall carry that prescription in the original container, with the prescriber’s and pharmacist’s identification thereon, and may be required to provide documentation from their physician. Employees using a prescription drug which may impair mental or motor function skills shall inform their supervisor of such drug use. For the safety of all employees, the company may place persons using such drugs in a less hazardous job assignment or place them on temporary medical leave until released as fit for duty by the prescribing physician. The company reserves the right to have its medical review officer determine if a prescription drug produces hazardous effects or to restrict the quantity of the prescription the employee is allowed to bring to the workplace."
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I have mixed emotions on the issue. There are repeat DUI problem drinkers who need to see hard time to protect society and there are people who have had a couple drinks and drive home who are probably not critically impaired.
I'm in medicine, I know the science. One drink does slow reaction time by some degree but so does my being at the hospital for 30 hours on call. The 0.08 limit is too low to accurately reflect when someone is impaired to the detriment of reasonable driving skills, in my opinion.
MADD focuses too much on trying to convince the country that every person with a first-time offense is an alcoholic who should seek lifelong sobriety as the only answer and not enough time working against the hardcore repeat offenders.
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I read this post and was thinking about all the things that people get up to when they drive - like using mobile phones, falling asleep at the wheel because they work long shifts, eating at the wheel, reading map books, resetting their gps, kids climbing all over the car and distracting the driver or even being unable to carry out psychomotor skills in the case of elderly or disabled drivers.
These people cause traffic related incidents and deaths but don't get the "burn the witch" attitude like people who drink and drive get.
The evidence is out there that alcohol consumption does reduce the ability to drive but how many people would be so judgemental or vocal about a 80 year old grandmother who runs someone over because she has a vision issue in comparison to a 20 something guy who is a fraction over the alcohol limit and causes a similar incident?
In my mind all those offences are just as bad and should be dealt with accordingly along the same lines as we deal with drink driving. It's just that drink driving, like speeding is demonized more because it is more sensational and distracts from the cr** driving that is done legally on the roads nowadays.
Otherwise Aaron you seriously need a kick up the ****** for being caught twice, but fair play to at least stopping in the first instance and taking responsibility, hopefully the judge will consider that.
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Hmmmmmm..."interesting" theory there, Stretch! I have to admit I've never really thought about the correlative phenomena between the decisions those who RECREATIONALLY DRINK and then decide to get behind the wheel, and those people who are overworked and who decide to drive home to a family they're attempting to put food on the table for...OR, that friggin' cellphone user who is probably STONE COLD SOBER, but none the less IS(I admit) at higher risk to injure or kill somebody on out there on the road...OR, EVEN good ol' Granny, who probably SHOULD HAVE HAD her Drivers License revorked a while back, but who decides to drive down to the local pharmacy to get her prescription filled anyway. Yep! I "guess" I've just been too "judgemental" here all along in order to "see" that's it's "all pretty much the same sort of thing here", huh?! (and so...why don't you give the kid here yet ANOTHER EXCUSE to go get his THIRD FRIGGIN' DUI in the future, huh dude?!...because he's evidently already IN "good company" out there, right?!)  (and maybe while you think about THAT, I'll go YouTube-ing, and see if I can find Oingo Boingo's "Only a Lad" and prompt it here so we can ALL happily sing along to how "society made him"!!!)
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The evidence is out there that alcohol consumption does reduce the ability to drive but how many people would be so judgemental or vocal about a 80 year old grandmother who runs someone over because she has a vision issue in comparison to a 20 something guy who is a fraction over the alcohol limit and causes a similar incident?
Actually, those white-haired old men & ladies are the ones who really scare me when I'm on the bike. My Mom lives in an area with lots of ahem, retirees and their driving habits are poor. There have been some really horrific accidents involving folks that can't hear, see or react to traffic situations. If you cause personal injury or property damage you have to be judged by the same measuring stick whether you're drunk, old, or just plain stupid.
Ride safe and DON'T DRINK & DRIVE.
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YEP, Kevin! Those old folks quite often DO frustrate and sometimes even SCARE the ****** out o' me, but not NEARLY as much as the DRUNKS DO out there!!!
(BTW...I HOPE you folks realize that this "BAD COP" routine of mine here is showin' up mainly because SOMETIMES that's the ONLY FRIGGIN' THING some people UNDERSTAND!!!)
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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That being said, young girls behind the wheel TERRIFY me. Especially when there's more than one in the car. They always seem to be highly distracted and oblivious to their surroundings. Next time you're out, observe some of the body damage on cars driven by gals under 25. Troubling. And the rate of cars turning left in front of me seems to be disproportionally young girls. Ride like you're invisible and everyone is crazy. 
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You got THAT right, Kevin!
BUT, whenever I'm out there on my BA or in that itty bitty little Spyder o' mine(which the wife calls "The Death Car"...and I'm sure it's NOT just because the James Dean died in one EITHER)...I watch out for EVERY FRIGGIN' MORON out there, and at ALL TIMES!!!
(but yes...especially the little teenybopper chicks out there...they're ESPECIALLY clueless...YOU'RE RIGHT!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Now that it's been brought up, young female drivers talking on cell phones scare me a ****** of a lot worse than someone that has had a beer or two. We have a lot of traffic around here with four lane roads. Almost every time I see a car riding slow in the left lane with no one in the right lane, it's a young girl talking on the phone. I wonder if it's inattention to the fact they're making everyone pass them on the right or that they know proper driving etiquette. I assume it's that they're so distracted talking on the phone they don't realize what they're doing. No way they would notice me on a motorcycle.
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Yep! AND...just imagine if those same little tennybopper chicks with that cellphone stuck up next to their little earlobes might have ALSO had a few drinks TOO, 'cuz it's sooooo friggin' coooool to drink alcohol and get a little high and act just like an "adult", ya know! (NOPE...sorry Bob...I AIN'T gonna let THIS THREAD derail into the topic of ALL the FRIGGIN' MORONS out there...THIS THREAD IS ABOUT DRUNK DRIVING!!!)  (yeah, yeah, I know...that's kind'a "funny" comin' from a guy known far and wide around here for derailing threads, ain't it?!...but THIS issue actually KILLS more PEOPLE than almost ANY OTHER cause out there on the streets!...and IF the issue warrants it, there IS NO "difference between ME and a friggin' PIT BULL"!!!) 
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Dwight, not gonna argue that drunk driving isn't bad. It's a very serious problem. Anyone with multiple DUIs needs to realize they ARE a problem. I'm 59 and have been riding motorcycles since I was 14. My having one beer and riding is something neither of us has to be worried about. Sorry, didn't mean to derail the main topic.
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That's okay, Bob.  I have the feeling that many of the others who tried to "derail" this thread were only doing it in hopes of "calming the waters". I don't blame 'em. (much  ) It's just that THIS ISSUE is EXACTLY as you said here..."a very serious problem. Anyone with multiple DUIs needs to realize they ARE a problem."
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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So if you drive over the limit and cause a death does that make you any worse than someone using a mobile phone whilst driving and causing a death?
I think the point i'm trying to make is that bad and dangerous driving is bad and dangerous driving, no matter what it is that causes it and the penalties should be the same no matter what.
How many employers would fire a person for having a conviction for using a mobile phone whilst driving? Probably very few. Compare that to the number of employers who would fire someone for a DUI. Both impair the driver so whats the difference?
I am in no way trying to say that drink driving is a lesser evil, more so that other stuff that is just as dangerous doesn't get the same consideration or provoke the same level of disgust.
So where do you stand on people who get caught speeding more than once folks?
Before the war on terror, if I saw an unattended package I used to think "I'll be having that!"
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So where do you stand on people who get caught speeding more than once folks?
surely that would depend on what speed they are doing!! I was caught speeding about 5 years ago 35 in a 30. Why should a speeding ticket in a cage effect my insurance on a bike??
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I was Patrolman on the NYCPD in 1964-72 when I made Sergeant and then Lieuteant 10 years later. Back in the 60's and 70's there was not the effort to arrest drunk drivers that there is recently. The paper work and court time after making a drunk driver arrest was totally ridicilous. You would arrest someone at 6 PM and take him to and IDTU (Intoxicated Driver Testing Unit) at a location usually 3 precincts away from where you were. You would then wait for the Technicians (specially trained Motorcycle Cops) to arrive and they would administer the tests. This whole deal could take 4 hours. Then you go to the precinct to process the arrest and call for wagon to take the prisoner to court for arraignment. Now you arrive at night court at 1130 PM and the court closes at midnight. You wait again for a wagon to take the prisoner somewhere for lodging. Drop him/her off at another precinct and find your way home to your precinct to go off duty. You have to ride in the wagon with the prisoner and the wagon will not take you back to your precinct. You are on your own. At 0700 you are expected to be at the lodging precinct to pick up your prisoner and take him to court via wagon.
You arrive at court and wait all day for you case to be called. It never does. You wait for night court to convene and you might get lucky and get your case arraigned by 10 PM. Then you go back to the precinct and go home.
After you go through this a couple of times an old timer will come up to you and suggest that instead of locking up a drunk driver it might be better to call his wife or somebody to pick him up and forget the arrest. We learned how to throw the keys to the car in a sewer and send the drunk on his way on foot. We even took the richer drunks to a nearby hotel for them to sleep it off. We kept the keys and gave them to our relief for them to bring to the hotel desk clerk 8 or so hours later. We could be real inventive in ways not to screw up our lives and at the same time get a drunk off the road. Today the emphasis is on locking them up and I certainly hope they have streamlined the arrest process for drunks in NYC since I retired in 1984.
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So where do you stand on people who get caught speeding more than once folks?
surely that would depend on what speed they are doing!! I was caught speeding about 5 years ago 35 in a 30. Why should a speeding ticket in a cage effect my insurance on a bike??
This is a good point but looking at it from an insurers angle, if you are prepared to speed in a car then would it not be reasonable to expect you to speed on a bike?
And I agree it depends on what speed they are doing but it also depends on their driving ability as well and the circumstances that caused them to be caught.
Valentino Rossi could probably handle a bike quite well at 150mph in good conditions with little traffic on a major motorway and would probably consitute no significant danger to other road users. Put him on a trunk road in wet conditions with heavy traffic and he would be a danger to other road users, but the powers that be dont seem to grasp that fact and give out penalties just purely based on the speed rather than the circumstances in which the offence is committed.
Going back to driving after having a drink you could be tea total and drive like a complete ar** and be dangerous or have 3 pints and drive competently and safely.
However, if stopped at a routine check the person with the higher blood alcohol level will be demonized as a menace to public safety whereas the sober cr** driver will be allowed to go on their way to cause further mayhem down the road.
I, like most of you on here do agree that drinking and driving is a bad thing but I also think that we are missing a whole lot of other bad things that occur on the road as well because we become so rabid about one particular issue.
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So where do you stand on people who get caught speeding more than once folks?
Are you nuts?
Start a new thread for this one, Stretch.
Speeding is illegal, not always unsafe.
Depends on conditions like weather, traffic density, pedestrian density, etc.
Now to address the rest of your topics.
If you're on a cell, resetting your GPS, eating, using your laptop(hello LEO), disciplining your kids,
arguing with a passenger, cranking your tunes, or getting a Hummer, there is one thing to remember:
YOU CAN SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I run 16" shorty mufflers that are straight-through.
If I pull in the clutch and wing it to 6 grand, you will hear it.
If you're drunk off your burro, you're chemically altered until Mr Alcohol is gone.
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