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Triumph Leather Panniers Slanted Part No. A9528011 Price £229.99 or 394.548 USD or 2,562.59 ZAR Capacity - 11 litres per pannier.  OR K-Drive Saddlebags are constructed of Iparex 1100 (synthetic leather). The grip and straps are genuine leather. 279.218 GBP or $479.00 or 3,111.10 ZAR Dimensions : 50cm x 30 x 16 Capacity : 49L  I must admit the Leather appeals to me more but then the K-Drive carry more but the price is quite high
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I have the Triumph ones...but the straight ones. The leather so far is ok - I take them off when I'm not using them - and that includes getting them covered in salt last weekend! They also come with chrome bars that attach to the grab rail.
They also look really smart.
I'd go for the Triumph ones and carry a cargo net for the stuff you can't get in them!
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I have the Triumph ones...but the straight ones. The leather so far is ok - I take them off when I'm not using them - and that includes getting them covered in salt last weekend! They also come with chrome bars that attach to the grab rail.
They also look really smart.
I'd go for the Triumph ones and carry a cargo net for the stuff you can't get in them!
Gina
I was actually looking at them now and I am quite impressed they look much better than the slanted ones, maybe I should consider these. Plus they look quite smart with the seat combination that I have just ordered.
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Try this place - they have some cool leather bags etc. http://www.chilhowee.net I ordered a shirt from them in the USA and it was here in the UK at my door in four working days!! Ya can't beat that! Jan
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Try this place - they have some cool leather bags etc. http://www.chilhowee.net I ordered a shirt from them in the USA and it was here in the UK at my door in four working days!! Ya can't beat that!
Jan
Had a look at them and they have a wide variety but none for Triumph so it would need to be custom made and they look quite pricy. Have a look
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try Saddleman not cheap, but very nice, and hold lots of stuff.
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Here's why I voted with my dollars for the K-Drives over the Triumph or Saddlemen bags:
- They're bigger, and carry a lot more gear (else why have them?)
- They clip (and lock) right onto the braces, which are much heavier chrome than the Triumph variety
- Being Iparex, they're far easier to care for than the leather variety (though they look like leather)
- Most important, the support arrangement at the back of the bag appears extremely strong, and is unlikely to pull out, as has been others' experience with the Saddlemen bags
But they're all nice-looking on the bike!
Good luck! It's a pricey decision however you go.
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I'm very pleased with my Saddlemen Large Drifters. I have them bolted to my brackets and they are as new, despite carrying home a 12 pack of Rolling Rock about every other week this summer.
The Triumph bags are very small. To me, that would limit their usefulness.
The K-drive bags certainly look good (I like the slanted bags) and if Brent sells them, you better believe he tested them out. They are very pricey, I can get three sets of Saddlmen Large Drifters for $500. If you really need removable bags, these might be worth the investment.
I think if my Saddlmen bags were removed frequently with EZ brackets, they probably would need some reinforcement. I used large washers to bolt mine on and they have held up nicely.
Bella Corse does have some new brackets available that have a underneath support piece. This should allow bolt on bags to hold up well.
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I have Saddlemen Jumbo Cruis'n bags and a sissy bar bag (all of which are going to be put up for sale in a few days) and I am replacing them with LeatherneckJim Sedona bags (http://leatherneckjim.safeshopper.com/36/219.htm?307). The Sedonas are larger, and they are real leather. I use Easy Brackets to mount them.
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I have a set of Willie & Max Willie & Max I have these one, so far I like them, they were given to me so, I couldn't squak. I bought a set of EasyBrackets off a member (Thanks !) I am so impressed with the quality, I am going to buy the company! Well, don't think I'll go that far, but I like em! Because sometimes I feel like a nut, and sometimes I don't!  I can take em with me or leave them at home. ed
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try Saddleman not cheap, but very nice, and hold lots of stuff.
Speedmaster $455 or 265.228 GBP or 2,955.22 ZAR. Plus I must still calculate import duties onto the price. I did not see any size specifications on these however
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I have Saddlemen Jumbo Cruis'n bags and a sissy bar bag (all of which are going to be put up for sale in a few days) and I am replacing them with LeatherneckJim Sedona bags (http://leatherneckjim.safeshopper.com/36/219.htm?307). The Sedonas are larger, and they are real leather. I use Easy Brackets to mount them.
$ 428.00 or 249.489 GBP or 2,779.86 ZAR
Last-for-a-lifetime Heavy-Duty Chrome Hardware - Buckles are heavy-duty quick-release. These look quite smart maybe one to consider. I would imagine you are changing because you find these better than the ones you have.
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I love my Givis  Saddlebags
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I have a set of Willie & Max
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I have these one, so far I like them, they were given to me so, I couldn't squak. I bought a set of EasyBrackets off a member (Thanks !) I am so impressed with the quality, I am going to buy the company! Well, don't think I'll go that far, but I like em! Because sometimes I feel like a nut, and sometimes I don't! I can take em with me or leave them at home.
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Well these certainly fit the price bracket I would like to be in
$106.65 or 62.1684 GBP or 692.691 ZAR.
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Well so far we have the following.
Willie & Max
$106.65 or 62.1684 GBP or 692.69 ZAR.
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Leather Panniers Slanted
Price £229.99 or 394.548 USD or 2,562.59 ZAR
Saddlemen Jumbo Cruis'n bags
$ 428.00 or 249.489 GBP or 2,779.86 ZAR
Saddleman
Speedmaster $455 or 265.228 GBP or 2,955.22 ZAR.
One thing I need to look at is the price. Also I don’t think I would need them to be too large as I don’t normally carry around that much. So far it looks like the Triumph one would be for me.
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... and the KDrive ones for 279.218GBP/US$479.00/3,111.10ZAR. One thing to remember is that with all of these other than the Triumph ones and the KDrive ones you'll also need to buy brackets (and the Triumph brackets aren't removable). If you're looking at easy brackets they're another US$150, or you can get a honda magna bracket cheap. If you're actually wanting to carry stuff in your bags the KDrives are 4 times the volume of the Triumph ones. The order of volume goes Triumph, Willie & Max, looks like Saddlemen jumbos and the speedmaster ones are about the same, then the Kdrive. Something else to remember is that the yoke on the Triumph bags (and possibly the speedmaster ones) isn't removable and will put scratches on the finish of your rear fender. If you're planning on using easy/ghost brackets the yoke becomes an issue there too. Previous to my accident I had the saddlemen jumbo drifters which I was very pleased with, however since insurance is coughing up for a new set I'm going with the KDrive's since they're the only set where the bag's perfectly matched to the quick release mount, rather than having to match up two seperate systems. Should get my bike back in another 2 weeks... will post a review on the kdrive bags then  Matt
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Something else to remember is that the yoke on the Triumph bags (and possibly the speedmaster ones) isn't removable and will put scratches on the finish of your rear fender. If you're planning on using easy/ghost brackets the yoke becomes an issue there too.
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Not sure if I follow this part. Why does it scratch the fender? I have only seen these in a photo so I am not sure how they attach to the bike. Also tell me more about the yoke and how this comes together with the bags. I would imagine that this is what the bags attach to and the yoke bolted onto the bike.
Does anyone have a photo of the Triumph bags detached from the bike leaving just the yoke?
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"Normal" soft saddlebags are attached to the bike by draping a wide strip of leather (the yoke) that's stitched to each bag across the rear fender, either above or (more usually) below the pillion seat. There's brackets mounted to the sides of the bike that sit behind the bags to stop them swinging into the rear wheel. The bags're usually tied to the bracket with laces and're considered a temporary fixture - easilly removed. As far as I know the Triumph bags are this sort, where the yoke cannot be removed from the bags without cutting it off. In contrast "normal" hard bags (made of fibreglass, plastic etc) are bolted to either side of the rear fender and are considered a "permanant" fixture.
This system has two downsides; to be fairly secure the yoke should be mounted below the pillion seat, however as the bags move around a bit when the bike's in motion the yoke rubs on the fender which can cause fine scratches in the finish. It also means the bags are either insecure (on top of the pillion seat) or hard to remove (below the pillion seat).
Brackets like ghost brackets and easy brackets (and the ones on the KDrive bags) are designed to have soft bags bolted to a steel plate, which is then mounted on studs/rails that're bolted to the bike, and locked in place by some sort of key & lock. This means the yoke can be removed/omitted from the bags. Some bags have a "removable" yoke that's attached to the bag by some form of clip, either so that the bags can be detached from the yoke and carried about like small suitcases for security, or so they can be used with ghost/easy brackets etc. This requires that you buy bags with a removable yoke, and that you drill holes in the bags and mount the plates yourself. It also means that the weight of the bags is hung from positions the bag manufacturer never intended, and we've had members whose bags have ripped from the mounts.
The beauty of the KDrive system (as I see it) is that the bags were designed from the start to be used with their brackets. There's no chance of incorrect mounting with misplaced holes, and the weight's hung from where the manufacturer intended. The only design issue I've heard with these bags is that the keylock is access from inside the bag which may make it difficult to access if the bag's completely full.
Oh and far as the leather vs iparex issue goes, most soft bags are some sort of synthetic leather so you don't have to oil them weekly, keep them dry in the rain etc. The only real advantage to genuine leather is the "brag factor" which'll soon go if you fail to care for them and they start looking like old worn out shoes.
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"Normal" soft saddlebags are attached to the bike by draping a wide strip of leather (the yoke) that's stitched to each bag across the rear fender, either above or (more usually) below the pillion seat. There's brackets mounted to the sides of the bike that sit behind the bags to stop them swinging into the rear wheel. The bags're usually tied to the bracket with laces and're considered a temporary fixture - easilly removed. As far as I know the Triumph bags are this sort, where the yoke cannot be removed from the bags without cutting it off. In contrast "normal" hard bags (made of fibreglass, plastic etc) are bolted to either side of the rear fender and are considered a "permanant" fixture.
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Hey Matt, thanks I can now make a better decision on these bags as I was uncertain how it all worked as I said I have only seen them in photos. I think I need to find out more about the Triumph Bags. The biggest problem with the USA stuff I still need to pay import duties where the Triumph one this is included in the price. But let me make some enquiries about the Kdrive bags.
Can anyone give me more info on how the Triumph ones fit onto the bike as I cannot quite see in the photo? I was under the impression that they also had brackets with them.
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Looking at the K-Drive Saddlebags again they seem to make the bike look awfully wide maybe this just the way the photo has been shot. Anyway I have sent them an e-mail to find out more on how I can get these bags here in South Africa and what price I am looking at.
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The triumph bags DO have brackets with them, but all they do is stop the bags from swinging into the wheel. The bags are mounted simply by the yoke across the rear fender, with the pillion seat bolted on top of it.
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The triumph bags DO have brackets with them, but all they do is stop the bags from swinging into the wheel. The bags are mounted simply by the yoke across the rear fender, with the pillion seat bolted on top of it.
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I don’t quite know how I feel about this setup now. I liked the look of them on the bike in the photo. The K-Drive Saddlebags seem to make the bike look rather wide and bulky. The price is also a bit of an issue, and I have not even added on import duties to this. For this price R3,111.10 ZAR I can have quite a fancy trailer built for the bike.
Anyone else got any advice on the Triumph bags, how are they and what downfalls would be looking at. 
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I have the Triumph slant leather bags. I like the look with the Triumph logos on the lid and buckles. They seem to me to be the right proportion for the bike, however they are on the small side. With them being slanted it's sometimes harder to stuff things in. For extra room I load up my gym bag and strap it across the top of the bags and pillion seat. So far, I've been able to shove cordura pants with armour into one, gloves, vest, mask, tools, water bottle, etc into the other. One other drawback, the leather over the fender has scuffed up the paint, nothing serious. It might buff out but I haven't tried.
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I have the Triumph slant leather bags. I like the look with the Triumph logos on the lid and buckles. They seem to me to be the right proportion for the bike, however they are on the small side. With them being slanted it's sometimes harder to stuff things in. For extra room I load up my gym bag and strap it across the top of the bags and pillion seat. So far, I've been able to shove cordura pants with armour into one, gloves, vest, mask, tools, water bottle, etc into the other. One other drawback, the leather over the fender has scuffed up the paint, nothing serious. It might buff out but I haven't tried.
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I was looking at the straight one as I thought packing into the slant might be a bit of a problem. The proportion does seem to fit the bike and they do look good. I am not too worried about the size as I am sure they will do for what I need. I am sure I would be able to fit in about everything in one go. How easy are they to remove what I can tell is you will need to take off the pillion seat, but that’s just one screw. The scuffing of the paint does worry me a bit I must admit. You don’t have some photos of them on your bike by any chance.
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Can anyone give me more info on how the Triumph ones fit onto the bike as I cannot quite see in the photo? I was under the impression that they also had brackets with them.
As it seems I am the only one with the Triumph ones...
THey come with a bracket for either side. On the straight cut bags, there are two velcro straps that go around the frame. The frames go on the grab rail bolts and if you have a sissy bar you use the bolts already on.It comes with two bolts otherwise. For a person with not much in the way of technical knowledge they took about 5 mins to fit with no power tools. And it was that long because I got them the wrong way round.
The bags themselves are a bit of a pain to get on and off but all you need is an 8mm spanner and a little patience. Now I can put them on in about 90 seconds. There is a possibility to scratch the leather, but if you're that worried go down the craft shop and buy a piece of felt. As for being easily removed...unless you carry round an 8mm spanner and a set of allan keys to remove the frames....and the bags are no good without the frames.
Looking at mine again, the yoke is adjustable, you lace it to the length you want, so you could probably put it over the set, but that may putpressure on the seat that it's not use to, and ultimately cause the foam to disintegrate.
No they're not big, but if I can put a females worth of stuff in for a 4 day excursion....you lot must carry more than me!!!
If you have any further questions - i guess I'll have to learn how to put photos in...
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Here are some pictures in my album that show how the Willie & Max look from different angles. I have the Delux Fleetside Slants. Willie And Max how they look
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I also have the Triumph slanted bags and have had them since day one. They have held up nicely. Here's a recent pic (with EZ Brackets):  Here's the same bags with the brackets. I had to 'work' the brackets to get them to fit the posts, hence the gnarly look on the keyhole openings (I got some of the early ones).  Note that I de-stitched the yoke (look just above the EZ Brackets) and re-riveted the lid and removed the tie point stuff (the small holes) that are used with the stock hangers I have since backed them with 1/8" aluminum that fit almost the entire surface of the back of the bags. Sprayed them with a crinkle black paint. You have to really look to see them.... I've had this setup for over two years and have had no problems. Not big enough for some, perfect for me. When I travel, I use my Kuryakyn Full Dresser bag to hold all the other crap. This pic is not mine but it does show the bag nicely. I like how it has a hard plastic shell inside which is separated into two 'shelves' and that the back unzips for easy access to anything. Pic shows the top expanded also which I have not had to use... 
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Phil, does your full dresser bag fit ok on the rear carrier? it looks pretty big.
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I have the tall bar and luggage rack. The bag has a padded piece that goes down over the passenger backrest and is velcro adjustable, straps on the bottom, and straps on the side. When I get it on there, I can practically pick the friggin bike up by it! When the top is folded down, it does not stick up much over the backrest. It comes with wheels on the frontside which I removed to get a tighter fit. Shopped around and got it for $160 off eBay. Looks like the guy I got it from has another up there: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harley-KU...sspagenameZWDVWCheck out the dimensions...
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Did you have the right post for your EZ Brackets? Mine came with the wrong ones (ones for no back rest) and would have had to been "forced" on, they sent me the differnt ones for the backrest and they fit like a glove, no forcing of them as they line up better.
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The EZ Brackets I purchased were from many moons ago. At that time, there were no such thing as replacement posts. The suggestions were: try shimming with washers, try loosening and tightening, etc. I tried everything to no avail. I reported all this to the company ( http://www.easybrackets.com/index.htm) and they told me they would take it under advisement. So perhaps my problems solved the issues with subsequent installs. The things I do for youse guys!  I wanted the brackets to work so short of giving up, I got out the Dremel! They work extremely well now and unless I have the bags off, you cannot see my surgery.
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Did you have the right post for your EZ Brackets? Mine came with the wrong ones (ones for no back rest) and would have had to been "forced" on, they sent me the differnt ones for the backrest and they fit like a glove, no forcing of them as they line up better.
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Phil bought his EZbrackets before EZ took into account the "L" fender rail supports. Such is the price for being the first in line!
Now to the question at hand, The better saddlebags will each hold a 12 pack of beer. Saddleman bags will foot that bill and can transport a motorsickle batry as well. However, whatever bag you use with the EZbracket systems, you must ensure that the fender side of the saddlebag is RIGID. Either by purchasing a saddlebag that has a rigid fender side or by reinforcing the saddlebag you chose. Willie and Max bags are similar to the old 5 1/4" floppy disk. Operative word here is floppy. Saddleman bags have a brittle fender side backing. Saddlebags should be able to hold more than your rain gear. Triumph saddlebags don't. The triumph saddlebags would fit right in the San Fransisco lifestyle, feminate purses they are, as they hold about nothing.
The more weight you can hang low in saddlebags the better off your handling will be.
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The Saddlemen Jumbo Cruis'n bags are not $428. The LeatherneckJim Sedona bags are $428. I am selling the Saddlemen bags, and I believe I paid about $160 for the two saddlebags and a sissy bar bag.
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Hey, if you guys are looking for a deal on a set of used regular panniers, look me up. I'll let mine go for a lot less than new. They're not new, but in pretty good condition. I'm thinking around $200?
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Hey Moe! The W&M's I have has a hard plastic wall on fender side, inside of the bag and rivited in place, seems pretty secure, about 1/8" plastic and lighter weight stuff on all out board wall surfaces to maintain shape. I had been looking toward Saddleman when my neighbor said, "Hey, I have these that I took off for a different set, you want them?" Being the reasonable cheap, I mean chap that I am, I said, let me think about it... sure! 
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Right, just one bolt to remove the pillion seat. Then four velcro straps (two on each side) that wrap around the side braces. I like Phil's ezbracket solution. Looks great with the Corbins. Sweet! These pics aren't the best but all I have for the moment.
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No they're not big, but if I can put a females worth of stuff in for a 4 day excursion....you lot must carry more than me!!!
Gina
Well I think this answers my space issue if they are ok for a female than they will certainly be ok for me.
What I could do to overcome the fact that they are not really removable is to get two canvas bags to put into them. This way I can just open them up and remove the canvas bags inside with what ever I am carrying at the time. Yip I think these are for me.
The invisible One
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The more I see these bags the more I think they the ones for me. They really set the bike off sort of belong there.
The invisible One
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Right, just one bolt to remove the pillion seat. Then four velcro straps (two on each side) that wrap around the side braces. I like Phil's ezbracket solution. Looks great with the Corbins. Sweet!
These pics aren't the best but all I have for the moment.
Yip they are for me as I will be putting on the same seat combination should be arriving any day now. The only difference is I think I will go for the straight and not slanted.
The invisible One
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Loquacious
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Roadwasher, If you go for the Triumph bags this is what the brackets that come with them look like:  Judging from what you said about a "one screw" procedure to remove your seat I would guess that you have a Speedmaster, so the spanner GinaS mentions above is not required. The yoke adjustment procedure is as per GinaS's description. I am actually going for the K-Drives myself as my journeys are somewhat long and mostly 2-up (although I have another bike for this purpose) and I require more space (well, not me exactly, but you get the idea ). I also like the lock-on/lock-off feature without having to install brackets and modify bags etc. (yes I know, I'm lazy ) and they seem to be big enough.
Bedouin.
Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).
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