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My young friend Matt must be behind in the beer supply

Ahhh that's it. Pat's on strike due to a lack of compensation. That's is understandable, stick it to the man, err Matt, Pat!

Pat???? ....Matt???....Yoohoo!!! glub, glub.

Naw, i hear.
Been sleepin for 2 days and then working.

Reader's Digest version:
Got parts over to the garage, bought beer.
Back to shop.
Start putting stuff together.
More beer.
Pizza. mmmmm
"Dam, that gasket don't fit right...does it?"
flip gasket over so it fits better.
Pull pistons on/off three times...more beer.
Stab finger real deep with C-clip.
bleed
bleed more.
beer. suck finger blood.
wipe blood and beer on pistons as I take them off again....grrr, gasket don't fit cause it's the wrong one.
Notice, nothing is bent broke or fd up .... yet
more beer, dam, that sure is hurting and bleedin, wipe more blood on pistons.
Sanitize wound with nice clean fresh motor oil.
heck, it's sterile, or at least sanitary.
after 3 tries putting jugs on, bent one oil ring expander just enough so it's still good, rebent it, but enough where I figure it's too much beer, not enough brains.
Swear, bleed, kick rear wheel, walk away.
more beer, screw it for tonight.
Go home after more beers and lots of complaining and yelling at inamate objects. (some yelled back at me)
Go home before I break something.
You gotta know your limitations.
Two drinks of wine, one drink of gin,
and we're lost in the ozone agin.

nuthin is broke, bent or fd up.
Just need another night to get my head into it.

pshaw, it's beer thirty, again.


screw it, it's supposed to snow 7" tonight anyway.

Pat,

It's actually refreshing to hear that you're human.

Besides, your tail isn't stuffed down between your legs even half of what mine was with the friggin magnet fiasco (having to remove the motor & split the case).

Also, it's not so fun having a fire-breathing Bonnie when you can't ride the ding-dang thing in the snow.

Keep us posted,

-BT

yeah that sums it pretty good. but at least we had beer or else we would have been pist and sober.

Pat,
Ah,just part of your ploy to get more beer eh?
Seriously the oil on a cut is a good idea.
STP is amazing if put on a bad burn right away,try it next time you get a bad burn even if it's burnt black. It sterilizes and draws the pain out in about 15 min.

Hey that's the ticket. Why don't one of you geniuses slap a ski and a belt on one of these and solve everybodys heartaches??
ModelMaker

Here's my latest update:
Saturday I torqued my knee out and now I will be off it for several weeks. getting the old Roto-Rooter arthoscope done Tuesday, then be crutch ridden for 2-6 weeks.
Hurts bad, can't hardly walk, let alone sit and work on a bike.
So, stay tuned, the saga is just in HOLD mode for now.
Ow, gotta go take some liquid barley medicine.

Quit your whining and take your medicine like a big boy!

We'll be here waiting. Not like you could ride the dang thing anyway!

Pat,

That's a bummer. I'd rather drop a dowel-locater in my bottom-end any day than have that happen. That sucks!

Five years ago I broke my Tibia/Fibula on my right leg (see pic below). As a result of sitting around doing nothing (to heal) and not drinking enough water, I started farming kidney stones. Take it from me, YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE BIRTH TO ANY OF THOSE (although you don't have to put them through college)!



Anyway, drink plenty of fluids.

-BT

Nice pics BT!! I have a similar setup on my left Tibia. Broke it sliding into 3rd base when I was 14. I was safe! Then when it healed, it was a wee bit crooked, so THAT's when they operated. Basically went thru it twice! Sucky. Interestingly, the doc said you really don't need your fibula, I'm surprised they put so much hardwarre on yours! Mine's still crooked, but the foot works fine. My tibia has a 6inch plate and 6 screws on it. I need to get a copy of the xray...

So Pat, is there a good story behind that knee blowout?

Pat's new catch phrase.

Welcome to the gimp club. I've had 7 knee operations.

Pat,
Hey,I feel for ya buddy. That can really hurt.
I had the Roto-Rooter arthoscope thing done on my good knee 3 years ago and will be getting a new knee in my bad leg sometime next year.
I wish ya the best and a quick recoverey. I didn't think the Roto-Rooter was too bad, I only used crutches 1 day then my cane for a while.
But,as usual, results may vary.
Good luck to ya.

Ok, here's the update as of January 15th.
We finally, and I mean finally, got the jugs back on, cams all alligned and are now ready for final reassembly of headers, carbs and one side cover. We will be finishing it and firing it off tonight for sure.
Let me share some of the recent adventures we ran into.
When we got it all together and tried to get the cam chain gear on the top of the motor, there was not enough slack in the chain. Too tight. WTF??? How could this be. So we dick around with it for a couple hours and gave up before we broke something. I was getting pretty PO'd at that point with it.
The next night I attacked it from a different angle, we pulled the jugs off again and did some gorilla work by basically lifting the bike with the cam chain by hand (not really lifted though). It seems it was slightly crooked and was not straight on the bottom end cam chain gear. Nothing we were doing before would get it over enough to sit straight on the teeth. Thought of pulling the oil pan, nope, isn't in line, would be a waste of time. Finally after using brute force, a hacksaw blade, some big screwdrivers, it popped into place and we had all the slack we needed. Horray!
Then we go to put the jugs back on, oops...one of the tiny oil rings had gotten ever so slightly bent, and would not slot into the piston. I though we were going to have to order a new ring. So, in desperation, we had nothing to lose at this point, I used a large flat faced hammer and the large flat area of a table saw for an anvil. I then proceeded to do the old blacksmith hammering/sliding of the hammer as I ever so gently pounded, to the tiny delicate ring. Lo and behold, in a few minutes I got it perfectly flat and didn't hurt it one little bit. Patted myself on the back, had a few more beers, then slid the jugs back on with no effort at all. Getting really good at that part by now.
Then, we kept a lot of constant upward stress on the cam chain so it wouldn't slip back off the bottom gear again, and after a few more minutes, we had the entire top end reassembled and timed correctly with new shims and all. Yee ha!
That's where she sits now, ready to put on the right hand side cover (got me tons of spare gaskets too ) I haven't forgotten about those that asked, be patient, i'll get some out to ya.
So, tonight should be the final night, the big fire up. Fingers will be crossed, wood will be knocked upon, redheads rubbed, beers drained and prayers silently mumbled.
Here's to happy 904cc Scepterized thumper sounds being heard tonight.

Wow, sounds like you and Matt had your hands full with those jugs...umh, I mean heads. Oh well, good luck tonight guys. I'll say a prayer to the motorcycle gods that she turns over first try.

Well here it is 10pm. The dinq and I walk into the shop and instanly almost go brain dead from the epoxy fumes do to my boss painting a floor. So we came to my house and comsumed all the beer possible. Tommorw looks like the day we put the rest of the bike together, at least we wont blow up when we start it.

Matt,

I finally took my 904cc Speedy for a 100 mile cruise yesterday and, let me tell ya, you are going to enjoy your bike. The biggest difference, as far as I'm concerned, is the extra roll-on power from, say, 75 to 80mph. Just whack the throttle and you're gone!

This is convenient in those situations when you're next to a big semi-truck and he starts going over in your lane because he doesn't see you. In that situation, before (with the stock 790cc motor) the roll-on power was paltry, - whereas now the roll-on power kicks a$$.

Enjoy,

-BT

I think I'm going to start mine in a couple of weeks. I'm getting all the part numbers together so I can take a shopping list to my dealer and also order a few other bits from Brent (like the Freak).

BT-
Im envious, i cant wait to start that baby up and go for a ride. Its supposed to rain here the next few days then up to about 45 near the end of the week. So ill be able to test it out

Be sure you get the corretc gaskets for the correct year, there are minor differences in some. I had to carefully scissors a tiny part off the clutch cover one for Matt's.

So, last night we get it all back together. The moment of truth...push the starter button..nuttin, no spin, nutin. We pull the fuses, all corroded and crusty. Clean them all up, grease them up and try again.
This time the starter motor spins rapidly, but no motor turnover. Dammit, gotta pull the clutch cover off again and see why it's not spinning the motor. I can hear the gear spinning in the side, but it's not turning the motor over. Something must not ne lined up right, or slipped. Going back over in a few minutes, drain the oil and pull the cover.
Sigh...

I'm going to order one of those microfiche catalogs on cd (unless someone wants to send me a 'backup' copy) so I can get the part numbers and then I'll double check it with my dealer when I order the parts.

Idle Shaft missing?

Picture of Idler shaft in place.



Picture of idler shaft missing.

Photo ripped off from Ryan!

Ryan, "When the cover came off, the shaft and washer fell out ,and somehow, all of the gears shifted up and to the left. They are now properly in place, and everything seems to be in order. Luckily, the first botched attempt at starting did not damage any of the gears or shafts. First test ride did not show any further leakage from either the gasket or the newly tapped bolt holes (bonny and dinqua - I couldn't have put more RTV in those holes if I had been paid to do it. You should both be proud.), but this is not a true test. I know I need to get to sustained speeds around 75 and rpms up in the 4's.

Down a quart or so on oil do to all the monkey business."

starter drive idler gear question

Bingo! I tore the cover off and it stared me right in the face....DOH!!!!
The starter gear had slipped just enough to F me up. Took it apart, repositioned, replaced the cover, hit sterter button and...click/whirr....click/whirr...click/VROOOOOOOOOOM she went on the third tap of the button (no gas for a few months, can't help that.) Shut her down after about a 5 second idle test. Tapped button again for about 1/2 second, VROOOOM instantly.
You should have seen Matt. There was a visible raise in his trousers and he started drooling and scheming on how to skip out of work the rest of the day. Problem being: the shop we did the work in IS his work and his boss is upfront waiting for him top come back. And...there is no way he didn't hear the wide open headers when that baby fired up. No way.
Ahhh, the sweet smell of exhasut in a closed space is a wonderful thing.

It's alive, it's alive I tell you!

beer thirty...gotta go get the daughters, have a brew, then have a few more in celebration.
Ah, the MC Gods have smiled today upon me.

Jeez, what a dolt.

CRUNCH!

moe,
Actually, that first picture is very incorrect. That is what ours looked like. The starter gear on the bottom left in the picture should be down and over to the right by about1/2" in each direction. There should be plenty of room between the gear and the case, not as pictured.
Anyway, she's runnin, she's happy, she has new improved larger implants. What more could a man ask for?
Thanks for the pix!

edit: cause I'm a dolt as Fill said above, and the gear should be lower, not higher as originally stated. See, beer works!

Quote:

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Jeez, what a dolt.

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Ya know Fill, at this point, feel free to bust away! I dunna care, it's alive and running!
Another Yankee to run circles around you in May.
Be safe buddy! See ya soon.

Time has a way of changing things........

BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OK. I acquiesce! Those were Ryan's pictures after all! The main point of me posting them was showing the shaft itself. The link to Ryan's threads explained the positional aspect of the gear! Oh boy, I can see Matt blasting up to Rochester! Be like hearing Ed pulling away from your pad, rounding the corner and over the hill!

Great job guys!! congrats Matt

Pat,

Mine started on the 4th button push, so you got me beat. As for Matt, - he's proof positive that doing the Wiseco Kit is waaay better than Viagra.

Congratulations,

-BT

Viagra? Im in the prime of my youth. i dont need that. BUT like most of us I can always use a faster motorcycle.

Congrats on getting the bike running. Is there anyway to make sure the cam chain is all lined up before re-installing?

"Be sure you get the corretc gaskets for the correct year, there are minor differences in some. I had to carefully scissors a tiny part off the clutch cover one for Matt's."

I've wondered why my dealer asks for the last 4 or 5 of the vin number when I order any parts. This was even before the 865cc Speedmasters. I guess there's been changes from year to year that we don't know about.

Is that microfiche the ficheman sells on ebay kept up to date for each model year? Anyone bought one lately?

Sal,
The cam chain on mine was a snap, I still haven't figured why Matt's was such a pita to get on the bottom gear. But I will certainly keep my eye on the next one I have lined up to do. Finish one, start another one.
Actually the gasket info turns out to be wrong in this case. It was that the starte gear was slightly crooked and the gasket was a little snug, so I trimmed a pubi-meter off one little area. No problem re-using it either when we aligned the gasket correctly.

The fische-man stuff is great, it is pdf files of the Triumph parts fische that the dealers all have. I find it very useful, and way faster, to come in with a prts list with numbers to order stuff. that way I know there are no mistakes. the dealer's software even crosses the part to new numbers whenever that comes up too.