the pillion seat and it is 4 1/4" from the top of the mounting bolt to the top of the seat...and I have not ridden two up yet...but it seems like the pillion will be very comfortable...I am actually not riding much yet due to some issues still from surgery, probably the longest rides I will do will be 60 miles or so...I won't even get a chance to ride today but will do some tomorrow...I will report again if I find any negative issues...I can actually use some help on deciding what rear shocks to go with...I hear different things about the progressive and about hagon...I was thinking the hagon gas shocks would be the best...I definitely want to soften the ride up even more then the seat just did...I am not concerned about high speed cornering...well, I am but...at this point I need a softer ride to be able to ride more....any suggestions would be appreciated? Its off to watch the Blue Angels...Yee Haw! Thanks, ride safe...Jim

Last edited by jimesaj; 10/11/2008 1:45 PM.