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With out going into the politics and without any real facts at hand would anybody agree to going back to the double nickles if it helped with our fuel use ???
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Couldn't people just choose to drive at 55 if they wanted to save gas without it being enforced?
My limited experience of driving in the States saw people overtaking whatever the limit, or below.
Also, most interstates etc have space for people to easily overtake anyone wishing to stick to the limit.
Regardless of the speed limit posted, people will speed if they want I guess.
I doubt it would go down too well to use enforcement to tell people to drive slower than they have gotten used to, certainly where roads have previously been, say 65 or 75.
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Considering that the autoshifter in my truck hits top gear at 60, going 55 will cause me to use more fuel. Come to think of it, the Charger seems to hit peak efficiency at around 62, so there will be a loss there too. On the other hand, the extra fines will help the gummint pay for all the gas they waste. 
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With modern technology, more aerodynamic and fuel efficient cars, the ability to get more power out of less displacement; that lower speed limits to use less fuel is an anachronism. When your average car weighed in at 5,000lbs and had at least a 350cid engine, more likely400+cid and was as aerodynamic as a brick; yeah it worked. Hey!!! How about mandating a 55mph limit for large SUVs and pickups. Since they belong to another time, they can have the speed limit of another time   . Or...... On a darker note, maybe any push for a national 55 is just another way to enable Detroit to continue to live in denial, and keep on making Tahoes and Suburbans and Expeditions and Hemi Chargers and one ton dually 4X4s for the mass market  So my answer is no. A 55 won't work. Now maybe a new set of C.A.F.E. standards; with a minimum allowable mpg  Yeah, that could work.
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I won't support it - dammit! Anyone ever had to drive across freakin' Kansas at 55 ALL DAY LONG WITH NO CURVES will tell you the same thing!!
When I get back home, I intend to do a little experiment. My car has an 'instantaneous mileage' function. I will expend some gas and energy to cover a specific route on a freeway for X miles at 5 MPH increments from 50 - 75 and let y'all know what the results are for my particular vehicle.
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With modern technology, more aerodynamic and fuel efficient cars, the ability to get more power out of less displacement; that lower speed limits to use less fuel is an anachronism.
When your average car weighed in at 5,000lbs and had at least a 350cid engine, more likely400+cid and was as aerodynamic as a brick; yeah it worked.
Hey!!!
How about mandating a 55mph limit for large SUVs and pickups. Since they belong to another time, they can have the speed limit of another time .
Or......
On a darker note, maybe any push for a national 55 is just another way to enable Detroit to continue to live in denial, and keep on making Tahoes and Suburbans and Expeditions and Hemi Chargers and one ton dually 4X4s for the mass market
So my answer is no. A 55 won't work.
Now maybe a new set of C.A.F.E. standards; with a minimum allowable mpg Yeah, that could work.
AMEN...err, I mean...right on, brother!
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my car can cruise all day at 75 and get 40 mpg or better, if people want to use less fuel the choices are out there. with gas prices the way they are, you can almost argue for having a second vehicle to use for just good mileage, and keep the huge boat you drive for the two times a year you really need it. of course, how would the soccer moms ever survive without the SUV that they cant get in a parking space without a 5-point turn  
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Yeah! I always kind'a wondered how those "poor ol'" soccer moms over in Europe "manage" to carry their brood around without the "convenience" of a big ol' SUV too???!!! (of course from what I hear, THEIR brood aren't quite as "big boned" as OUR brood over here tend to be, ya know, so maybe THAT'S the answer to this little conumdrum, huh?!) 
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Yeah! I always kind'a wondered how those "poor ol'" soccer moms over in Europe "manage" to carry their brood around without the "convenience" of a big ol' SUV too???!!!
(of course from what I hear, THEIR brood aren't quite as "big boned" as OUR brood over here tend to be, ya know, so maybe THAT'S the answer to this little conumdrum, huh?!)
A lot of them don't have a brood at all. That's why their populations are not growing. They have to import workers from the middle east.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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OH! Kind'a like HERE, huh Larry? ('cept o' course, our's don't have to travel quite as far to get here) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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A lot of them don't have a brood at all.
Well, ya know Larry, I've always said that sometimes them there European folks over there have some good ideas that maybe some of us Yanks ought'a look into!
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OH! Kind'a like HERE, huh Larry?
('cept o' course, our's don't have to travel quite as far to get here)
Actually no, not really.
When people say Ć¢ā¬ÅIllegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans wonĆ¢ā¬ā¢t doĆ¢ā¬Ā they should add Ć¢ā¬ÅAt the wages we want to pay to get them done.Ć¢ā¬Ā Usually when the illegals are rounded up and a packing plant or construction company has to raise wages to attract people they get plenty of Americans.
Back to the double nickel. It didnĆ¢ā¬ā¢t work before and thereĆ¢ā¬ā¢s no reason to think it would work now. It is just another stupid government imposition on the people and serves only to make a few meddlesome busybodies few good about themselves.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Well actually Larry, it may be "a bit" more complicated than that! You see, The People really have no lobby workin' for 'em, BUT the auto industry SURE DOES, ya know.
And soooooo, when Senator__________(fill in the blank) votes down any laws that might "induce" the auto industry to increase their average MPG, then I wonder WHO Senator__________(once again, fill in the blank) is gonna look at NEXT when "the goin' gets rough"(like now)....HUH?!
Do ya THINK it just might be us Average Joes out there, HUH?!
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Yeah! I always kind'a wondered how those "poor ol'" soccer moms over in Europe "manage" to carry their brood around without the "convenience" of a big ol' SUV too???!!!
(of course from what I hear, THEIR brood aren't quite as "big boned" as OUR brood over here tend to be, ya know, so maybe THAT'S the answer to this little conumdrum, huh?!)
A lot of them don't have a brood at all. That's why their populations are not growing. They have to import workers from the middle east.
Oh come now Larry, you make it sound like there is a major influx of workers from the Middle East.
I roam around these parts (Europe) quite a bit and never noticed such a trend.
The only substantial movement (comparitively speaking) of workers in Europe would be from Eastern European countries and they are pretty light-skinned ... for the most part.
The only significant surge of M.Eastern people moving to Europe was Iraqui refugees (the majority Christians, by the way) who consider their country in a worse state now than it ever was before.
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Oops sorry, that went way off topic ... my apologies.
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Both the French and the British have enough Moslems that they have created problems for them. The Germans and Dutch have also had lots of middle eastern immigrants. While they havenĆ¢ā¬ā¢t all been allowed in to fill specific jobs they are certainly becoming an issue for them all to deal with. Population statistics also show that they are also out breeding the native Europeans by a considerable margin. A former Frenchman I know has posited that the heroics of Charles Martel will soon be overcome by immigration and fecundity. It is not unreasonable to suspect that the Cathedral of Notre Dame will, within this century, suffer the same fate as the Cathedral of St Sophia built by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian.
By the way, I once had to cross Texas during the days of the double nickel. I heard that to actually do it at the speed limit in those days it was not considered a job, it was a career.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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uh this was about speed limits wasnt it?
Back to 55 national. No...It s was stupid and ignored the first time no reason it would not be stupid and ignored the second.
Should be left to the individual states, what limits they want their citizens to ingore.
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Personally I prefer to ignore the 70 MPH limit on the Iowa interstates. 35 years ago it was 75 during the day and 65 at night. 70 on the regular highways and 60 at night. 55 would be very unpopular with those who actually drive some. It seems to be popular with those who fancy themselves as our nanny state overlords however.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Couldn't people just choose to dry at 55 if they wanted to save gas without it being enforced?
My limited experience of driving in the States saw people overtaking whatever the limit, or below.
Also, most interstates etc have space for people to easily overtake anyone wishing to stick to the limit.
The max speed in my little corner of the US is 65.
Any atemp to travel at the posted limit makes you an obstacle. Traveling under that, makes you a pariah subject
to ridicul, loud horns and rude gestures it also borders on suicidal.
the police in general dont mess wiht the flow of traffic. They will on occasion stop somone traveling "well in excess of the flow".
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While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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Maybe instead of 1980, they should roll back to 1943. The national speedlimit then was 35 to save both gas and tires. Of course, both were rationed so that only politicians, "official use only" vehicles and truckers were ever on the highways and, at 35 MPH, trucks couldn't use the upper 40% of their gears so they burnt more fuel, but they did save tires. It was a couple years after the war that I saw my first road snake.
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Well, I drive a jeep suv and like it. I'm willing to pay the xxx.xx a tankful to get the space, cargo room, and capability your civic doesn't afford. I also drive my speedie whenever I get the chance, and someone telling me what, where, and how fast I can drive leaves a real bitter taste. I for one won't trade my freedom for security, or 2 extra miles outta a gallon of fuel either.
ride when I can, work when I have to
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Yes and the oil and Insurance companies love you.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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It's B.S.
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With 100% of 4 wheeled vehicles having EFI, each one is set from the Factory "SUPPOSEDLY" to get the best mileage at whatever speed that is (Yeah, I know THAT is total BS, they are actually programmed to meet emissions regulations without regard to MPG), So it would be IMPOSSIBLE for ONE speed limit to indicate for complete gas savings for ALL vehicles. Professional Politicians are serial rapists that need to be executed. Just my opinion...
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Speed what's ????????  Buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppppp !!!!!!!! 
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