Don't forget tho, he raised the 450's front sprocket a tooth too. But i'm just saying it's a close call in any case and shouldn't be considering the triumph is almost twice the size ! My point is simply that the triumphs are very detuned, and just the fact that allowing more air in with pipes and rejetting like i did made a difference i would almost call huge says worlds about just how detuned they are. Heck, some have said jsut removing the snorkel even on a otherwise stock bike made a good difference. I still stick to my original feeling that at almost 1/2 the displacment they should be so far apart in performance that we wouldn't even be having this discussion. What is it that i keep hearing......"there's no replacment for displacement" or whatever the quote. And weight differences are no more than normal for the difference between a 450 and a 900. If anything they're CLOSER in weight than the typical traditional styled bikes of those displacments. And in other cases a 900 will usually cream a 450. there just usually is no argument.