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I'm pretty sure that the 650 I once had was a good bit faster than my America. But, the bike weighed a lot less and so did I. If you could shave an America or S/M down to about 300 lb and put a skinny 16 year old on it, I'm sure it would be a whole different animal.




Well, yea....but we're talking almost half the cc's between honda 450 and my speedy ! It may weel weigh a good deal more, but i don't even at my age and a 865 should be a lot faster than a 450. So much so that adding a passenger to the 865 should still leave it a good bit quicker. Half the cc's man !