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Touring on an America
#263778 05/14/2008 11:18 PM
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Greetings to everyone. I'm new here. Currently riding a Vulcan 750. The VN has been a very good bike, but it's getting near time to upgrade.

I've been looking at a lot of different bikes. I'd like to start some long distance touring, but at the same time, I value a bike I can still take down a tight country road. For that reason, I'm not particularly interested in the FLH, Wing, Suzuki C-90, Vulcan Nomad or similar bikes. I'm drawn to more basic motorcycles, such as the Dyna and, of course, the America.

With the America, I'd put on a windshield (chopped??), floorboards, hard bags (Mutazu or equivalent) and a rack.

This is probably a silly request, but I'd like to get some anecdotal information from you regarding touring and long distance rides on the America. I'm not a small guy (6-0, 260-ride solo), so I'd like some assurance that the America's smaller motor will work adequately for me. I'd also like to hear about any information regarding the bike's reliability or overheating or cooling problems. Or, for that matter, anything else you think may be of value to me while I'm trying to decide what to get.

It's kind of hard work trying to wade through all the information and arrive at a good decision. It makes my decision easier when knowledgeable folks like you help out, so let me thank you in advance for all replies.


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I have a Speedmaster, essentially the same as the America but with different bars. I have put on 600 miles in a day and felt fine. The motor will keep you cruising at 80+ mph all day if you want too. It is also a great bike for around town or on the back twisty roads. Solo or two up it's a great bike.

Soren

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I'm 6-1, 300#, own a 07 America. The most ive done in a day is give or take 300 miles and have had no issues.
I ride with a Memphis Alley Cat and Tsukayu Strong Bags...loving it!
The power has been more than enough and the bikes perform very well with minimal mods (K&N pods, Open pipes and re-jet).
I recently added a 19T sprocket and really like how it changes freeway riding.
A while ago I lowered it with Progressive Suspension 412 rear and front. I like the look and love the performance improvemetns but in all honesty am probably going to raise it up a bit. My pipes scrape during more aggressive riding.

You wont be dissapointed!


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I'm not a small guy (6-0, 260-ride solo),




Wanna bet??

I am 6'3 and more than 260lbs (the exactly figure is a state secret) and I rode am (stock) America 34000 miles around the US in 10 months so I guess I am qualified to put your mind at rest about what you want. I rode all kinds of roads, from freeways to skyline drive and the America had no problems with any of it.

After running the bike in in 3 days, I rode from Florida to Sturgis SD in a week, all on the freeway, then after that I went looking for nicer twisty roads, including the Smokies. Eventually back to Fl for a 5 month break,( thanks Jim & Lynn) then pickup again for a cross US ride. FL to CA and up the west coast into Canada. Back into the US and headed eastwards with a view to shipping the bike back to England when I had finished. Wont bore you with the rest, but stay away from Pigeon Forge TN

In all that time, only problem I had was with a CDI failing and that was changed under warranty with no fuss at all.

Go for it, I am sure you will love it.

Nobby

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Well I'm a signficantly smaller guy, only 5'10" and 155, but I can't complain about my 07 America. Shortly after I got it, some buddies and I took a long weekend from San Diego to Tombstone, AZ in the middle of July. That's just under 500 miles one way. The only extra weight was my backpack strapped to the rider's seat and I had a Camelpak on. Needless to say, it was Hot and not a single cooling issue. Dang that was a fun time!


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I rode 2,600 miles on a Speedmaster a week or so ago. While the bike handles great, and I love it, the small seat and riding position are really not (IMO) designed or intended for long haul riding. Like a few thousand fellow Triumph riders, I overlook all that, and do it anyway.


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I tour on my America. Just be sure to have the bars and seat fitted for you (stock may work fine) and ride. Everybody I ride with has at min. a twin cam 88 H-D and most are larger. I keep RIGHT up untill 100 mph and then I'm out anyway! When we getb to the Mts. the America ROCKS!

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I'm with Bucky. Just finished the GA. rally a couple of weeks ago for the second time. Over 2100 miles including the rides. On the first leg I went 592 miles, 11-12 hours on the bike after some detours. Don't get me wrong my butt was pretty sore after that but if you set these bikes up right, you can tour. I would recommend a touring seat like the Triumph Gel seat and possibly some risers and floor boards or Kuryaken pegs with stirups. The America and Speedmaster are a couple of the most versatile bikes out there. I am also a big guy 6'2" lets just say over 250lbs.


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The America works well for touring. The optional Triumph foot boards are a sure fit, but you might have to slightly reshape the optional rocker shift if you get that too. As for bags, whatever you choose, you will find that Easy Brackets
http://www.easybrackets.com/
are worth their weight in gold, especially if you also get the carry handle. With these, the bags are locked to the bike and, with a twist of the key, they lift off. No unsightly braces are needed.

I'm pretty sure that Memphis Shades makes a windshield that fits the America and Speedmaster. The Missus had one on her Lowrider and it worked well. The nice part is that they have an easy off/on feature.

I have been able to directly compare her Dyna Lowrider and my America and I like the America better. It runs smoother, is at least as fast (faster than an 88 twincam, dunno about the 96) and handles better.
If you do end up going with HD for some reason, take a test ride on a Softail as well as a Dynaglide. You will find that the B engine is a lot smoother because it uses balance shafts like the Triumph twins.
I have run my America over 900 miles a day and my eyes were more tired than my butt. I don't think I would enjoy it as much on my Night Train.


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Thay is alright. think nuthin of rolling fer miles n miles.

Here is a real purty site. Some trumpets and a vtx all loaded for bear. Hiawassee GA a long time ago...back in 04: May 8, 2004

sickles left to right:
Moe, nobby, trumpy, mark



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+1 on the easy Brackets!
On my Speedy I had a Slipstream Viper screen. It was pretty good & reasonable.

You can definitely rack up some miles on a vertical twin. Get a touring saddle, sissy bar & luggage rack and you're good to go. FYI you'll be running at around 5,000 RPM at at 75-80 MPH but if you're OK with that the bike is fine. I found the high RPMs kind of wear on you but give it a shot. Good luck & ride safe.


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we miss you brother.

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When the tent is pitched, they strip down easily for a run on War Woman road.



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Wendy and I tour when money permits. We did a couple trips 2 up and all our gear on my Speedmaster when I first got it. No problem what so ever and I was about 210 at the time and I won't say what she weighed. I rode to Laconia NH from North East PA about a week after I bought it 2 up. It was driving rain so hard I couldn't see the tail light in front of me all the way from here to the northern end of Vermont where we had enough and got a hotel room. So I would have to say it will do what you ask of it.


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I'm a big fat guy (300+) and I have no problems touring on '02 TBA. I'm in the middle of a 2250mi trip from Montana to Arizona (went to California last Fall, about 3400mi total). Monday I put on 530mi on the clock through snow and rain, crossing tne continental divide a few times and several other summits. Caveat: I've spent a lot making it comfortable. Corbin seat, windvest, floorboards, etc.


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With all this talk, I'm going riding this weekend one way or another!!


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I am at the ideal weight for my height. six feet two and 197 pounds and I have no problem with the Speedmaster as a ONE UP touring machine. Its ideal for one rider and his or her gear.

Adding my wife and then packing for her as well would just be too much weight and would detract from the bikes performance.

Our bikes lack the necessary grunt for a full two up and lots of gear long distance rides.

Its not that they wont do two up ....they just cant compete with a larger displacement metric touring bike in the 1300 Cc plus range for two up riding.

I suppose that those who have the big bore see some improvement.

If I wanted to spend significant amounts of time touring for two I would purchase a different bike with more displacement and practicality for that purpose.

Other than that the COOL factor of the twin cylinder Triumph is unmatched by anything else on the road today.


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Did 500+ miles a couple of weeks ago with no problem. Won't pay for a corban but rigged me up some mid mount pegs so I can do those 500+ miles and walk after wards!


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I've ridden almost 1,000 miles in a day on the America and I have a lot of 500+ days. The only drawback is the seat. While I have a Corbin with a backrest I also use an Airhawk cushion. Floorboards help a lot as they give you the ability to move your legs around. I'm not a little guy and the America has plenty of grunt well past the posted speed limits one up. Two up you can still get there but you certainly notice the difference on the highway.

I think of our bikes as sport cruisers. Great on the highway and much better than other cruisers in the twisties.


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I am at the ideal weight for my height. six feet two and 197 pounds and I have no problem with the Speedmaster as a ONE UP touring machine. Its ideal for one rider and his or her gear.

Adding my wife and then packing for her as well would just be too much weight and would detract from the bikes performance.

Our bikes lack the necessary grunt for a full two up and lots of gear long distance rides.

Its not that they wont do two up ....they just cant compete with a larger displacement metric touring bike in the 1300 Cc plus range for two up riding.

I suppose that those who have the big bore see some improvement.

If I wanted to spend significant amounts of time touring for two I would purchase a different bike with more displacement and practicality for that purpose.

Other than that the COOL factor of the twin cylinder Triumph is unmatched by anything else on the road today.




I have to respectfully disagree with pretty much all of the above statement.My wife and I are not small people not huge but not small.We take long rides allmost every weekend in the mountains of south-west and eastern Pennsylvania.While we dont carry much gear the bike does what ever I ask it to do.We ride with all big displacement bikes and never a problem keeping up even on the biggest of hills.Bigger displacement does not allways equal more power.
Sorry for the rant

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I have to respectfully disagree with pretty much all of the above statement.My wife and I are not small people not huge but not small.We take long rides allmost every weekend in the mountains of south-west and eastern Pennsylvania.While we dont carry much gear the bike does what ever I ask it to do.We ride with all big displacement bikes and never a problem keeping up even on the biggest of hills.Bigger displacement does not allways equal more power.
Sorry for the rant




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Usually a comprise allows the cow to step over and the pig to root under that one strand of barbed wire.

The Trumpets though are an exception. They are very adequate for touring and scary nimble in the twisties. The only way to get the best of either is to have two sickles. (or more)

For what they are, they are outstanding motorsickles. And beautiful to boot.


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6' even, 210 pounds and no problems doing 600 miles in one day other than my shoulder, but that's my body, not a bike problem (it bugs me when i work too much on a computer too!) Did a little over 1800 miles over 5 days without a problem.

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I somewhat agree with Max. I have the 18T sprocket (42 rear) and missed a little oomph when riding two up. I decided to go with the BB904 and that wanting more when riding two up has gone completely. I can't really tell any difference now, solo or two up. I love having what I need in a classic air cooled 2 cylinder.

Right now, I feel it's the best of two worlds. A sport like bike that cruises well and looks like a classic to boot!


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I am at the ideal weight for my height. six feet two and 197 pounds and I have no problem with the Speedmaster as a ONE UP touring machine. Its ideal for one rider and his or her gear.

Adding my wife and then packing for her as well would just be too much weight and would detract from the bikes performance.





I'd tend to disagree also. I weigh in at around 196 pound, my good lady (I think, tho it's always safer not to approach this subject...) at around 140 pound.
Didn't notice any real change in performance when we rode over for the Asendorf meet (around 1400 mile) With the two of us and all the gear for the weekend. Possibly a bit wobbly occasionally setting off from stop but no worries once going...


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the only thing I've really missed on my america is a backrest.

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Have to agree with the Versatility+ opinions 100%. To do the big miles though I bought a corbin seat with backrest (love the backrest), progressive rear front and back suspension and a tall screen. Now I can ride (I'm 6'1" and 200 lbs) all day without too many probs at all. Mind you, I'm probably a bit soft and sometimes use a airhawk after 800K's.

As far as overheating or reliability, I haven't had a single issue.

All in all, my Shiela is perfect for what I want - everything


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Ah, Bucky, those pictures still amaze me...I think it's the milk crate that makes the look...


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I have to respectfully disagree with pretty much all of the above statement.My wife and I are not small people not huge but not small.We take long rides allmost every weekend in the mountains of south-west and eastern Pennsylvania.While we dont carry much gear the bike does what ever I ask it to do.We ride with all big displacement bikes and never a problem keeping up even on the biggest of hills.Bigger displacement does not allways equal more power.
Sorry for the rant







Totaly agree too. Large dis[placement bikes are so over rated. Not that much more power in most cases. The extra $$$ to me is not justified. What I like about our bikes is that they're nimble and you don't get that in a big but cruiser.


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I have either seen the milk crate pic before or it's a regular occurrence! Love the shots, even sporting the flag! Next time Wendy asks if an umbrella stroller will fit on her bike I'll have to show her that pic.


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I spend 3 to 4 months of the year on the road, every year since the early-80's.
For the record I tour mostly 2-up.
For the last 3 years, I have been touring on 2 different bikes, a '96 BMW R1100RT and the '05 Speedmaster (and have taken both on some pretty long distances).
They both cover a broad range of uses, each in their own way.


The RT is way better for higher speeds on highways (speeds our Triumphs barely reach), right down to the not-so-tight twisties.
Built-in weather protection is also excellent (in as much as two wheels go).
Similarly, the purpose built luggage facilities are great.

Our bikes are superb from the tight twisties right up to the (what I call) high speed barrier (circa 95 mph).
Anything over that and the bigger rigs (similar to the RT) are better, hands down and in terms of power/stability, there is no comparison (and with that in mind, I agree totally with Clanrickarde's remarks) and that larger rigs (MOTORCYCLES like the RT and not HD Electra-like aircraft carriers) are definitely not overrated.
The Speedy is excellent on secondary roads and much easier to handle on really crappy roads and very tight twisties (where the RT requires a bit more planning and muscle).

Having said that, if I am to choose a bike for Western Europe and it's superb highways and secondary roads, it's the RT, without second thoughts.
If I am to choose a bike for the tighter, narrower and sometimes lousy roads of Eastern and Central Europe and some areas of the Middle East, it's the Triumph, again without second thoughts.

If I were to do a mix of regions and was ok with the lower speeds (relatively speaking) on the better highways, then, again the Triumph wins.

Edit:
Oh and about reliability and overheating issues, I have taken the Triumph to countries where they don't even have a Triumph dealer, that's how confident I am.


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Bigger displacement does not allways equal more power.





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Remember: a lot of those 1300/1500/1800cc bikes are 300(!) pounds more than ours. That soaks up horsepower.


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Remember: a lot of those 1300/1500/1800cc bikes are 300(!) pounds more than ours. That soaks up horsepower.




Only when describing aircraft carriers which are almost no longer motorcycles or limiting yourself to big cruisers is there such a sap in power. Other rigs fly!


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Thanassis, I was referring mostly to big cruisers, I'm a big fan of sport-touring types (like a ZZR1200-droool!)


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Re: Touring on an America
BrianT #263815 05/17/2008 2:06 PM
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Thanassis, I was referring mostly to big cruisers, I'm a big fan of sport-touring types (like a ZZR1200-droool!)




Now that rig flies! I had the 1100 in the early 90's. Very fast (I think it was the fastest on the road at the time - pre-Blackbird and Hayabusa) but crap when turning (and touring ).
I often wonder if they have improved handling on the newer models.


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Re: Touring on an America
jinglebob #263816 05/17/2008 2:18 PM
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I haven't done too much heavy duty touring and am a bit on the smaller side (5'10", 190) but have had a blast doing 150-300 miles at a clip in and around the Rocky Mountains. Other than a bit of a performance loss from lack of O2 at the highest mountain passes I have had outstanding fun on my '02 America/Master and can take ANY canyon road and leave those bigger displacement bikes in the dust.

BTW, who considers riding at 100+ mph "touring"? You don't get to see much at those speeds.


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Re: Touring on an America
Bedouin #263817 05/17/2008 2:22 PM
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There is much more going on than just the weight difference between bikes. For an example, the OL's Roadking is only 93 pounds heavier than my Night Train. This amounts to around 12% difference. Hers has a bit more power because mine has the counterbalanced engine and it takes a bit of power to spin the balance shafts. The gearing is the same, but my bike is considerably faster than hers. This is true all through the operating range, so it is not due to the greater wind resistance of the tourbike.


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