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Hey All, I'm currently getting ready to install my big bore along with some other HP mods. I figure a Heavy duty clutch will be in order. My question is this, do I need the tool the manual calls for, or can I get by without it? Thanks, Kerby 
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you will need the tool to remove the basket, no other tool needed. Oh, and a big butted socket (36mm???) if I am correct.
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 I was afraid of that! More money to spend. Thanks
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you can do it without the tool, put the bike in 5th gear and it does work. but i would get the tool if i did it again as i did not like how things felt doing it this way and i only did it like this because i thought i had the tool and realized i had the wrong one after it is apart
Frank
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I have not looked yet, but is the tool needed, or does the basket need to be removed to just replace the clutch springs? In the old days (50s & 60s) it was not necessary, we just removed one nut and spring at a time and just replaced the spring and re-installed the nut.
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you need the tool to stop the basket from spinning when loosening the nut. the basket stays in the bike. just take off the 4 bolts that hold the springs/throwout berring, then there is a big nut inside that you take off, then the whole clutch set comes out. simply replace with the discs in order, make sure you soak the new discs in oil overnight then put back the same way and torque to spec. really not a bad job but get that tool
Frank
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would a strap wrench work for that?
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have to be very careful not to break any of the fingers off the basket. The clutch holding tool would be very easy to make if you have some basic tools and the materials around to do so.
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have to be very careful not to break any of the fingers off the basket. The clutch holding tool would be very easy to make if you have some basic tools and the materials around to do so.
Have you ever made one? Care to elebarate on what the tool needs to look like?
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It kind of looks like posts on a piece of steel, there is one pictured in the factory manual. I have made one in the past for older bikes but haven't had to do a clutch on a newer bike yet so not sure if the other one I made will work or if I will have to make a new one. I have made many such tools like the pressure plate compressing tool to do the clutch on Later model Nortons with the same type clutch as the 73 850 Commando. I cut a piece of steel and threaded bolts through it then welded the heads fast once they were all the way through to make the holding tool.
EDIT: In the manual the tool is shown to be adjustable, the one I made isn't. The tool shown in the book uses a breaker bar or ratchet to hold it, mine had a handle built into the plate I cut to make the tool.
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Let me ask this question. I have an o7 speedy. The clutch rattles like CRAZY when the clutch is IN....when you let it out, it's fat and happy. All is adjusted correctly.
My dealer sucks. Plain and simple. If i where to check the tourque setting on that center nut, can I get away with just having the bike in gear? I am not dissasembling the clutch...just checking for tightness.
I am willing to bet that my noise is the smaller bolts being too loose.
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That sounds like one for Frank since I haven't had one of our clutches apart yet.
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Frank is crazy and I don't trust him!
LOL (jk)
I was just looking for a second opinion (because he suggested I do so). He did it but didn't like it. I'm just looking for anyone who might have an opinion or experience doing it.
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If I had done it on our bikes I would give you my opinion but I don't like to give you the OK on something I haven't tried myself.
EDIT: One thing I can tell you is you will get a little give that way but with the holder tool you wouldn't.
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Dinqua or chy....(hopefully you see this)
The 5th gear method worked for frank (although he was reluctant to try it)
any thoughts on me just checking tightness useing that method?
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Dinqua or chy....(hopefully you see this)
The 5th gear method worked for frank (although he was reluctant to try it)
any thoughts on me just checking tightness useing that method?
If it is rattling, that is usually a loose bolt or a loose basket. You should be able to get in there and tighten it without the tool. The tool is only for removing and reinstalling the big nut in the center of the basket.
If you are gonna do this, be sure to get a new gasket and drain the oil first.
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Thank you sir!
New gasket---new oil. Got it....will be picking them up today.
Just one more question.....the large nut in the center IS what holds the basket in place, correct?
I'll report back but I am willing to bet one of the spring's bolts are loose.
(BTW-your rear brake pad install write up is excellent. It's idiot proof and helped me out a ton!!!)
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The large nut is what holds the basket in, yes. Biker Thugs clutch install pictures worth a looksee.
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just be careful doing it, take your time and pay attention if anything feels funny when tightening it down. like i said it just felt really weird through the wrench and will use the tool from here on out, if for anything piece of mind
Frank
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I have not looked yet, but is the tool needed, or does the basket need to be removed to just replace the clutch springs?
No special tools to replace springs only. Four bolts holding a plate with the springs behind it.
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Question.......With the L engine cover off, you should see the 4 spring bolts but in order to get at the large center nut, you have to remove the 4 spring bolts or is the large nut accessible?
My goal is to just check for tightness....do I need to take all the springs out to get at the large nut?
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thanks for the post...any chance, you'd like to sell the tool?
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the more I read on cracking the L case, the more I realize that it's a good Idea to have a manuel handy. AND the tool. I bought a manual, the gasket, the tool and 4 new bolts from bike bandit.
I'll get the "good" springs from bonneville performance and 'get er done' when i get the parts.
I figure that while I'm in there tightening things up-I'll replace the wimpy oem springs. It ticks me off the dealer wouldn't tear it right down to find the noise but oh well....it's a chance to learn more about my bike.
I love this bike but the front brakes, the clutch noise and the blown cush drive at 5,000 miles ticks me off!!!
Well, at least I have this place to fall back on! You guys know your stuff and I'm greatful to you all!
'cept Frank-He's nutz! (LOL)
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thanks for the post...any chance, you'd like to sell the tool?
I don't have the tool. The Tech Vault link is pictures of someone changing their clutch. All I changed were the springs and it fixed mine.
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Looking at the shots in the tech vault the clutch is much different than the old bikes that I made my tool for. I would still make my own clutch holding tool but it would be a little more involved than the other one I made. Still well within my capabilities but I don't think it would be easily done without a lathe.
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thanks for the post...any chance, you'd like to sell the tool?
I don't have the tool. The Tech Vault link is pictures of someone changing their clutch. All I changed were the springs and it fixed mine.
what problem where you having? a rattle or was yours slipping?
(if you ever need the tool, I'll have on in about a week.-LOL)
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Mine was slipping at high RPMs when I downshifted and hit wide open throttle, like passing a car or something.
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I use an impact gun. On my dragbike I replace the clutch every 5-6 seconds....Nut and threads are still good, but the stock spring bolts are soft junk, I put in real bolts the first thing I do
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