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It was reported today on CNN that 51 percent of polled physicians support a national health care plan. That is really an about face. Given the many large companies want to move the health care expense to the government, the democratic candidates and most of the populace want more accessable nationalized health care, we may just have some form of National health care soon.  Only the insurance lobby will probably oppose it.
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We are long past due for a national health care plan. I know there are lots of arguments both pro and con. Be warned that I am gonna really post on this one, if I am prompted, as my family has really suffered a lot because of insurance companies lobbying efforts against national health care! 
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I have no personal interest as I have full coverage through a goverment sponsered retirement health care plan. But I have have many friends with a precondition in their 50's and basically are now uninsurable. Back injury, any cancers, diabetes, etc will leave one uninsured until medicare kicks in at 65 years.
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Don't want to stir the pot, but in England we have a "free" national care plan, apart from dental, medicines & eye tests. The way it is going, we will soon be moving to a insurance based system like the US
If you need to see a doctor, there are usually long waiting times for this (unless its an emergency) and the procedure for actually getting something done can take weeks or months.
I think government guidelines state that you should be seen within 6 weeks of being referred by your doctor. This means that the consultant will see you to confirm the diagnosis, but not necessarily treat you, which can take much longer.
There have been many many discussions over here about why it takes so long to get treatment - my own opinion ( and we all have one of those) is that there are too many managers and not enough medical staff ( who do a great job in crap conditions)
Me - I was lucky enough to get private medical coverage from previous jobs (not now) and would pay for it again if I could afford it.
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I have heard about UK's plan. I had an American friend who was seriouly injured in Spain. She was taken to an local emergency room, treated and ambulanced to a regional hospital for futher treatment. After a two day stay, she was told the national health care plan of Spain would cover the whole cost because she was on Spanish soil. I also know that Canadians that live in the US during the winter return to Canada so they can keep their National Health Coverage. We are sorry that UK's is in such a mess. Any comments from other countries beside the USA. 
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You certainly do have a dog in that fight. You too will pay 10% of everything you make to pay for it. There will be no exceptions to the tax regardless of other coverage. Thats how they can pay to treat the illegals and the poor. Nobody will be exempted or it will not be funded well enough. 10% of your income or 10% of your pension. Read the details of the Clinton plan. That is the only one that gets funded because nobody gets to not pay into it that earns money. Look at the billions of bucks in Medicare and Medicaid fraud. They certainly will approve of it. Private carriers are aggressive consumers. Remember $600.00 toilet seats and $1,200.00 wrenches. 
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I can only report on my own experience but the Canadian system has always worked well for me and my family. It does consume a sizeable chunk of our tax dollars though - maybe as much as 10% of our taxes goes to health care. I don't know what that would be as a % of income - probably only a few percent on average.
I read an analysis a few years ago that said you get the most bang for your buck from a centrally administered health care system and at the time it seemed quite convincing. That was before the fall of communism of course...
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To adress saxtron. Your employer pays health ins. on you. You pay a rider on your car ins. for medical expenses. There are a myriad of liability health ins. riders which people have to carry to protect themselves. Cancel them all out. Now take the pay raise your employer can afford to pay you. Take the money saved on the insurance co. riders. this will easily come up to the %10 figure which the gov. will charge you (AND RIGHTFULLY SO, EVERYBODY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST.) Its all a money shuffle. Do you want to shuffle your money through the ins. co. so they can take their profit or do you want the gov. to handle it directly. Granted, the gov. can be wasteful. Independant figures claim the gov. waste's at least %8 of revenue. Ins. co. waste about %24 on paperwork and duplication.
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Adressing the "English" medical system problems. I'll tell you what, I'll give everybody two choices. See a doctor in "up to six week" or NEVER see a doctor. Which one would you choose for yourself or your kids. For over 40 million people in this country (including me), the choice is never. Or untill I'm so sick that the ambulance takes me to the hospital and leaves me with a multi thousand dollar debt which I could't possibly pay in 50 years. Create National health care. Put a sliding fee, based on your income, say $50 or so, for each visit. This will discourage the "chronically fake sickies" from repeated and unneccessary visits.
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One final thing, for a while anyway. The only people who I have met who are AGAINST National Health Care are the people who HAVE acess to the health care system! 
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That's a really good point Rich. My union health and welfare system has had no co-pay, no deductible for doctors visits for years. When the funds get low, they impose a nominal co-payment; say fifteen dollars per visit. It's amazing how many people suddenly don't need to see the doctor for every little sniffle or paper cut. The illusion of "free care" can easily lead to abuse, so some kind of co-payment system would help keep that in check while still keeping it affordable. BTW, 14% of my negotiated wage and benefit package goes for health care coverage, so 10 percent instead? Sure. We have private managed care systems. They're called HMOs. I understand some are very good, but most of the people I know who have opted for the HMO say they're every bit as bad if not worse than the stories we hear about Britain's system. And there's plenty of abuse in the private sector too,not just Medicaid and Medicare. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if there's more. What some do to save a few pennies
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What we need is the same people who bring you the DMV, the IRS, smog checks, the post office and who set up your traffic signals to be in charge of your health care. Certainly politicians and government bureaucrats will do a much better job than medical and insurance executives and bureaucrats.
Certainly two of our candidates for president, neither of which have ever run anything bigger than a lemonade stand, are more than competent to set up a system to take over about an eighth of the economy and run it from Washington D.C.
If the Canadian system is so good, why do so many Canadians come to the US for treatment of serious conditions? Why can a dog get a hip replacement in Canada in just a few days but a person must usually wait many months?
And lastly, a stupid question, where in the Constitution is the Federal Government authorized to take over the healthcare system?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Create National health care. Put a sliding fee, based on your income, say $50 or so, for each visit.
Yeah that's it. From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs, wait, hasn’t that been tried already?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Rich, I understand your thinking. I just don't agree with it.
If instituted it should be based on the credit line of the insured. Before being able to borrow they should have to pay $800.00 every month for health care. Then apply for other loans.
If someone can't afford the premium they could get it cheaper or for free depending on their situation. However they should be a prevented from borrowing any money for automobiles, boats, motorcycles, or home entertainment. The health plan should be the first and mandatory credit hit on every credit line. All debt should be predicated on that first payment as an absolute must be paid first debt.
My friend says he can't afford coverage, its 800 a month! Well, he has a $600.00 F-250 payment and a $400.00 Toyota payment on the wife's car. Naturally they have to maintain full coverage on those cars borrowed from the bank. Did I mention his Plasma TV.
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We have private managed care systems. They're called HMOs. I understand some are very good, but most of the people I know who have opted for the HMO say they're every bit as bad if not worse than the stories we hear about Britain's system.
Just take the HMO, outlaw all other choices, do away with the profit motive HMO's have in using preventive care vice acute care and Voila, you have nationalized healthcare.
Now give the system virtual legal immunity, it’s government after all, and make it the final authority over your healthcare choices and you have our brave new world of government medicine for everyone.
Over 65 and need a hip replacement? Tough, we don’t think you’ll live long enough for it to pay off.
55 years old and have lung cancer? Tough, you shouldn’t have smoked.
Little girl has spinal bifida? Tough, you should have had a pre-natal check and aborted her.
Your mother is in the early stages of Alzimers? Quick, let’s get her to Jack Kevorkian in order to keep the costs down like they do in the Netherlands.
Beneficent Government Bureaucrats, that’s who we want making our life or death decisions. If we don’t agree we can appeal to other bureaucrats and politicians.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Our DMV and traffic signals work quite well.
It will happen. Might as well work to make it the best.
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National Health Care is just another feel-good, free to be, hug a tree, vote-seeking ploy. In practice it would be a total fiasco, even worse than the investor/insurance company driven HMO's in place today.
We need to get back to the family doctor concept and let doctors and hospitals compete like any other business in a free market...
Socialized medicine is just another step towards a socialist government. That ain't the America that so many have fought and died for.
Wake up.
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One little lobby stands in the way of all of this mess. The drug companies would be drug into the same regulation. They own D.C.. They have bought and paid for most of the congress to stop any majority that may rule against their interest.
You know, little things like its illegal to buy cheaper drugs from Canada or Mexico and save 60%. They passed that one all in our best interest for safety while we import lead paint for our kids to swallow and nothing is done about that one.
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As much as this has been a nice rational conversation, it isn't motorcycle related legislation (at least not directly), and it's quickly turning political so....
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OK boys and girls, after consulting the other mods, I decided to unlock this, BUT I'm moving it to the lounge. It goes south, we nuke it. Plain and simple...
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Wait a second, Benny. Gimme a moment to check my policy out and see if I'm covered in case of a "nukeing" around here, will ya?! (might be while....all that fine print and all, ya know!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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With 43 million citizens not covered at all (for whatever reason) we sure could use a better system.
We've seen what free market forces has done to the housing and credit market while the well regulated stock and bond industry has managed to remain quite stable so letting the market forces sort out our health care system seems to me to be dead on arrival.
One things for sure, it would be better to treat this in a preventative way instead of waiting for the situation to deteriorate. Like before Medicare collapses due the weight of my generation.
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Hey Ed! Whaddaya MEAN "the WEIGHT of my generation"???
I'll have you know I keep in pretty darn good trim....for an old fart anyway.
BTW, I'm still checking my policy for that "nuke clause". I HAVE however found what looks like a "sanity clause" in my policy, but I don't trust my insurer here, 'cuz everybody over 7 years old knows that there is NO Sanity Claus!!!
(thank you Chico Marx whereever you are)
(hey, SOMEBODY'S gotta supply the "comic relief" 'round here, or it's KA-BOOM for us all, people!)
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I am sure Michael Moore would love to weigh in on this debate right here on this here August Motorsickle forum. When he is done he will probly make a movie on the abuses of Speedmaster/America owners who pollute the atmosphere with their highly modified made in Great Britain Machines. Who knows what he will call his movie. "failsafe" ? Then of course ole Al will chime in with a new film of his own......."The Triumph of Global Warming" How to mess up the world with a Triumph America and Sceptre pipes. 
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I'm proud of my free healthcare and wouldn't want an insurer deciding if they could afford an op' or whatever. It also should matter how much you earn, we are all equal. If you want that extra comfort you can still pay for it. And drugs here are £6.10 per perscription, no matter what it is. The UK's NHS may have problems at the moment, but hey, it's been around since 1948.
Free healthcare is the way forward and not a step back. Gogogo NHS!!
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OK, Benny, here is a totally nonpolitical point. I have a so-so insurance plan through my work which i pay handsomely each month for, and it seems like every time i have a medical visit of any kind I end up getting back most of the bills with a good chunk applied toward my deductible. The Germans and most other Europeans have a very good system where EVERYONE gets coverage, regardless of income. Yes, it's not perfect, but then last I checked, neither is ours, our doctors make mistakes, HMOS decline coverage, you're not covered for pre-existing conditions if you have to change jobs (not a problem in NHS, now is it?), and if you want REALLY good coverage, you have to be very wealthy, or have insurance. Those without, go without, including kids! That doesn't seem very fair. Even the Communist Chinese do better than that. Now, in Europe, if you want better care than the average Joe, you buy supplemental insurance or pay out of pocket. Same here, if you want more than what your HMO allows, you pay out of pocket.
Oh, and for those who say "who wants people like the DMV determining my health coverage and when I get treatment?", well, how does having a company of bureaucrats who are subservient to their shareholders and investors FIRST and then to their patients work any better. Sorry, I see one as being just as bad as the other. The former system seems to work pretty well for our people in uniform. It wasn't great, or fancy, but it got the job done when I was in.
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People get worried when someone tosses the "socialist" label on it... Regardless of how much sense it makes.
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I was in the DMV the other day ~~ and I personally don't want the same government responsible for the DMV also responsible for health insurance.
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I am sure Michael Moore would love to weigh in on this debate right here on this here August Motorsickle forum.
When he is done he will probly make a movie on the abuses of Speedmaster/America owners who pollute the atmosphere with their highly modified made in Great Britain Machines.
Who knows what he will call his movie. "failsafe" ?
Then of course ole Al will chime in with a new film of his own......."The Triumph of Global Warming" How to mess up the world with a Triumph America and Sceptre pipes.
Hmmmm! "Failsafe", huh Kevin?! Well, I think you may be on to somethin' here, but maybe he should just go the whole Kubrick route and maybe make it into an out and out farce and title it, "How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love My Britbike".
(BTW Kevin...Have I ever told you how much you sometimes remind me of Sterling Hayden?)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I am sure Michael Moore would love to weigh in on this debate right here on this here August Motorsickle forum.
If he ever shows up here, I'm headed for the clocktower...
I asked a doc one day what he thought about socialist medicine. He replied,
"I suppose it could be good if it weren't the efficiency of the Post Office combined with the compassion of the IRS."
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Well, I'll just say for those who see communist plots behind anything that would reel in big business. Take a look. A real look, at just how well the major drug companies, insurance companies and hospitals look out for the average Joe. We are seen as profit and loss. Your health doesn't enter into the equation. I have 2 x wives and current gf in the health care profession. I get to here this stuff on a daily basis. The current system is not in our best interest..
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I was in the DMV the other day ~~ and I personally don't want the same government responsible for the DMV also responsible for health insurance.
I agree wth you. I do not know of one thing the goverment has done right.
P.S. I don't know the solution though.
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The federal government has acquired more control over public education over the last 30+ years, is it better now? Do you really want the same mindset that now has control over our public schools deciding "end of life" issues for our aging population as run our schools?
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I don't know what the answer is either, but I do know that heathcare is my second largest expense next to my mortgage, and totals more than all my toy expenses combined! But in the last six months with my son being hospitalized in ICU twice, I'm glad to have it!  (on a side note - DMVs are state run, and the Indiana BMV seems to be run rather efficently compared to the Illinois DMV)
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For those who want to scare off any National Health Care Plan with the old "Socialism" scare tactic. Get real. Our government has had socialistic type policies since almost the very first. I could write a chapter on this subject. Best example, highways. Do you really think that public highways are funded from gasoline taxes! Public transport is provided by taxes and largely from the federal funds which we pay into. The old argument that "health care should be privately funded, a person should get the health care plan they can afford" is stupid. I drive lots of thousands of miles a year, in one of my many vehicles. My grandma drives about 100 miles a year on those same taxpayer paid for roads. Is she getting her tax dollars worth. NO. It it in the best interest of the general public to have good roads, regardless of your own personal usuage. ABSOLUTELY. National Health Care is good for the country, in general. Increased productivity, increased ability to compete with ALL the other first world countries who have health care. (ONE EXAMPLE. Japan is killing us on car prices. One reason why. They can charge less for their cars because they don't have to pay their workers helath care, which is up to 22% of GMs car price for labor.)
P.S. thanks for opening this site back up. I'll promise to be civil. And congrats to all those before me who have also been civil. We trumpet people are the best example of tolerant I have seen in a long time!
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I am sure Michael Moore would love to weigh in on this debate right here on this here August Motorsickle forum.
When he is done he will probly make a movie on the abuses of Speedmaster/America owners who pollute the atmosphere with their highly modified made in Great Britain Machines.
Who knows what he will call his movie. "failsafe" ?
Then of course ole Al will chime in with a new film of his own......."The Triumph of Global Warming" How to mess up the world with a Triumph America and Sceptre pipes.
Hmmmm! "Failsafe", huh Kevin?! Well, I think you may be on to somethin' here, but maybe he should just go the whole Kubrick route and maybe make it into an out and out farce and title it, "How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love My Britbike".
(BTW Kevin...Have I ever told you how much you sometimes remind me of Sterling Hayden?)
Uh. Yes you have in so many words. Yepper ya could say I resemble that Jack The Ripper General who orders the B-52 past the failsafe points. Seein as how I have this inclination towards peace through Superior Firepower. (interestingly enough that slogan could be considered the motto of SAC during the cold war)
But in essence I'd druther be slim pickins and get to ride that foiking pill all the way in!
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Has the government EVER done anything better and more efficient than pivate enterprise (besides steal my money)... the answer is NO! Why on earth would anyone want the government to make their decisions for them? Why would anyone trust the government to do everything for them? Just say no to social communism!!!  Soren
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Re: Support for National Health Insurance Plan
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Joined: Jan 2005
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
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I like your "public roads" example ... good one!
Are you sure about Japanese workers?
Also, are Japanese cars built in the US not inexpensive and are the workers there not paid health care?
An honest question for the sake of my education.
Bedouin.
Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).
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Re: Support for National Health Insurance Plan
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Joined: Jul 2007
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Worn Saddle
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Worn Saddle
Joined: Jul 2007
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Round 4 (for me). Health care should be a RIGHT, in a country as wealthy as ours, in a civilized time like this. Let me explain. I belong to a group of people who are called the "working poor". I don't make a lot of money. HOWEVER, I am very good with the limited amount of resources that I have. Some people say that "Health care is available to you. If fact, that is the by line in every job app. which I have seen in the last ten years. "After hiring, a health care plan is made available to the employee." For people like me, and there are millions of us, a health care plan for my family of 4 would cost at least twelve hundred dollars a month. Which is slightly more than half of my income a month. Lets say that I go ahead and buy the plan, which would leave me with about 800 dollars a month to live on. Does anybody think that this is reasonable? Would I buy a house, a car, a new refridgererator? No, No, No. I would just be spending my resources on health care, i.e. giving my income to an insurance co. (whose president is going to be making at least 20 mill a year.) I DO NOT MIND paying for health care. I want to pay for health care! That is the responsible thing to do. BUT IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR ME AND MILLIONS LIKE ME! One final question. Is the economy better served by me spending money on goods (housing, used cars and motorcycles, other nicities) or better served by giving the mojority of my income to an Insurance Co?
this county CAN afford health care! The money can be made available, because this country wastes gazzillions of dollars a year on other things. I have, and do, work hard for a living. I deserve at least a bare minimum of health care coverage, considering the other issues my government is shoveling billions of dollars at!
Fidelis et Fortis
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