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yep friar i have been good for a while and i do accept the gun culture that america enjoys
just not my thing yet i did not insult nuthin and if he has that right to say that to me then i have the same right to attack back
i have nothing against the yanks we are supposed to be alies and i have served loads of NATO personal whilst my time in the ministry of defence mostly UK troops but loads of good people from the USA and after work had some RnR with them in the local bars
my wife is canadian and my cuz married to a US navy chap and lives in florida now like i said no problem with anyone be it colour religion or sexual preferance but i find the gun culture thing you guys have in the USA a bit much
here if we shoot someone cos they break in to our property we are the ones liable
remember that british farmer he went to prison
suppose its the way we are all educated different strokes and all that
its just not very pleasant that law that says right to bear arms to me just gives someone an excuse
and hey i'm not scared of bullets they have done no harm to me
i'm scared at the speed those bullets come at me and my bonnie even with turbo and nitros cannot out run the ****** things lol
hey lads our culture on that subject is different
at least i got you guys talking again even if we went of subject a little
i think this should be the end of this one ok
remember keep your front end high and your rear end smokin 
Mel, all we're trying to tell you is gun culture and crime are 2 different things...thats all. It doesnt matter what country you live in.
The US state (new jersey) that I live in doesnt let you carry a gun. Theres a city 20 minutes from my house called Camden which was labeled "most dangerous city in all of the US" in 04 and 05.
Do you think the gun law is helping the crime in this city?
Ive had to walk the streets there a couple times. I ran out of gas once, I even had to appear in traffic court once. Every single time I feared for my life, just for simply being white.
What do you do when your country is telling you to appear in court, in one of the most dangerous cities, and you cannot carry a small handgun for your personal protection?
Put yourself in my shoes
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Ive had to walk the streets there a couple times. I ran out of gas once, I even had to appear in traffic court once. Every single time I feared for my life, just for simply being white.
What do you do when your country is telling you to appear in court, in one of the most dangerous cities, and you cannot carry a small handgun for your personal protection?
Sorry Tom, I know you asked Melvin this question and not me, but I have a couple o' answers for ya here, dude.....
I'd either:
(a)-stop getting traffic tickets.
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(b)-whenever you DO get a traffic ticket and have to go to Camden NJ to appear, wear a coat and tie and try to look as much like an off-duty cop as you can.
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(c)MOVE OUT OF NEW JERSEY
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I was typing that the same time you were..haha
Dude trust me I dont venture there too often...the traffic tickets were really messed up cause I got into a road rage incident with an off duty Camden bike cop that used his "authority" to win the lane changing dispute. The tickets were bogus compared to what he was doing, but he had my license plate...my lawyer helped me out though..(he didnt even show up to court there, he sent some other guy..haha)
New Jersey is a nice place, i live in a nice rural area with no problems at all...you just dont go running out of gas 20 minutes away in the bad area...ahah...(that was a bich too by the way)
I could pull off the cop look, but I had my 90lb cutie wife with me, which is practically wearing a hamburger suit in a tiger cage.
I get what youre saying though...theres alot of people out there who carry because they can, not because they need to. I just figured this thread needed maybe the other side to the story. All the laws in the world and not a bit of security.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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But what you don't understand about some of us Yanks is that EVIDENTLY some of us live, work or play in such crime-ridden environs that something like this very handy-dandy fanny pack would come in real handy.
And some of us have to deal with four-legged creatures with sharp teeth and claws. A few years ago I saw a bear cub sitting on the side of the interstate. My first thought? Where's mama bear!?! Of course, I wasn't packing and I don't know that a .45 would've done much but peev-off mama bear. Gotta figure out how to mount a holster for a 12ga. with a slug barrel...
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I probably am going to get myself in a Jam by asking this question. We see alot of reality TV in the UK showing cops pulling cars over and searching folk for drugs etc.
How do you deal with the police if you are on your bike and armed with a gun?
I would be mightily concerned carrying a firearm and risking being stopped by a police officer. He does not know the good guys from the bad guys. It could lead to some ugly incidents.
I am not condeming the carrying of guns in any way. Its all to do with the "social contract" i.e if you behave with manners and dignity I will behave the same way. If you carry a gun then I shall carry gun. Its the folk who step outside the contract that cause every body the grief. I dont just mean in the US it happens every where in the world. An ****** hole is an ****** hole in any country.
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I hear what you're sayin', Tom. But, I also think that this collective "fear of crime" and "fear of our fellow countrymen" is often driven to a frenzied state in this country by the 6 o'clock News which just LOVES to motivate their ratings by this constant barrage that there's "crime, crime, crime in the streets" in their broadcasts.
(oh and BTW, after reading your last response here's answers(d) and (e) for ya, dude:
(d)Never get involved in a road rage incident.
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(e)Check your friggin' gas gauge in your car or if you're on your Triumph check your odometer reading, and NEVER run out of gas, especially while you're driving/riding through a "questionable area".
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I probably am going to get myself in a Jam by asking this question. We see alot of reality TV in the UK showing cops pulling cars over and searching folk for drugs etc.
How do you deal with the police if you are on your bike and armed with a gun?
I would be mightily concerned carrying a firearm and risking being stopped by a police officer. He does not know the good guys from the bad guys. It could lead to some ugly incidents.
I am not condeming the carrying of guns in any way. Its all to do with the "social contract" i.e if you behave with manners and dignity I will behave the same way. If you carry a gun then I shall carry gun. Its the folk who step outside the contract that cause every body the grief. I dont just mean in the US it happens every where in the world. An ****** hole is an ****** hole in any country.
gotta keep your hands in plain sight and not make any sudden movements that would look suspicious. Officers do ask if you are carrying any weapons, its always good to let him know first...(i dont even own a gun by the way, this is just all common sense stuff that people dont understand when being pulled over)
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Hmmmmmm...."behave with manners and dignity"...... You know, it's kind'a funny but I personally have talked my way out of probally half a dozen traffic tickets by first ultilizing those exact two methods during my encounters with patrol officers over the years. (ain't that "funny", folks???!!!...hmmmmmm...I wonder why that works, HUH?!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I hear what you're sayin', Tom. But, I also think that this collective "fear of crime" and "fear of our fellow countrymen" is often driven to a frenzied state in this country by the 6 o'clock News which just LOVES to motivate their ratings by this constant barrage that there's "crime, crime, crime in the streets" in their broadcasts.
(oh and BTW, after reading your last response here's answers(d) and (e) for ya, dude:
(d)Never get involved in a road rage incident.
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(e)Check your friggin' gas gauge in your car or if you're on your Triumph check your odometer reading, and NEVER run out of gas, especially while you're driving/riding through a "questionable area".
Yeah all you hear about is people get shot...you dont hear about a guy pulling his legal weapon to scare off some street thugs and saving himself....its not "news"...so it misleads people
and the "happiness is a warm gun" mentality doesnt help the situation...all that attitude gets us is more laws and regulations to where people in my position cant carry when i feel threatened.
rush hour dwight, cut-offs, his middle finger, and his tickets in the mail...a selt belt one too, which really made me mad cause i always wear my belt, it was my first taste of police corruption..it was awesome
gas gauge broke...thought i had enough...stalled at the top of the bridge out of philly and i coasted into the heart of Camden unarmed for battle..ahah
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and i do accept the gun culture that america enjoys
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but i find the gun culture thing you guys have in the USA a bit much
Bit of a contradiction wouldn't you say?
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here if we shoot someone cos they break in to our property we are the ones liable
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its just not very pleasant that law that says right to bear arms to me just gives someone an excuse
Well that's where you are wrong. The 2nd Amendment just gives me the right to bear. State laws are also in play. The Florida concealed weapons (CW) law for instance, does NOT give anyone an excuse. That law is VERY specific when and where one may use a firearm. There is nothing capricious about it. However, that law also give me the right to protect me and my loved ones from cretins who have no respect for life itself and btw, those people are everywhere.
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Robert Heinlein
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How do you deal with the police if you are on your bike and armed with a gun?
I don't get stopped often Eric but when it happens I am sure to tell the officer I am armed and I hand him my concealed weapons permit along with my license. I am always very polite to LEOs as they have a tough job and I've never seen a reason to hassle them.
Most of the time, they don't even ask me to disarm. Some have asked me to put the pistol in the saddlebag while they are there.
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Robert Heinlein
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Actually, in my opinion if you are pulled over, there is no need to tell the police officer anything unless he asks if you are carrying. I don't know for sure, but I believe they can see in their 'know it all computer' that you have a permit.
Otherwise on the gun topic, it's a right of freedom in the US that shouldn't be given up. The percentage of gun crime by lawful carriers is soo low it's rediculous; it's unlawful carriers that are the problem. (minus Virginia Tech moron that was legal)
I know in MA it's getting worse and worse all the time; I never used to carry but now I think about it more and more when I senseless acts of crime.
10,000+ Americans are murdered every year by illegal aliens.
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The percentage of gun crime by lawful carriers is soo low it's rediculous; it's unlawful carriers that are the problem. (minus Virginia Tech moron that was legal)
I know in MA it's getting worse and worse all the time; I never used to carry but now I think about it more and more when I senseless acts of crime.
10,000+ Americans are murdered every year by illegal aliens.
Although the VT shooter legally bought the weapons I don't think he had a carry permit. Additionally, he was in a "No Gun Zone," where no carry permit holder is allowed to carry a firearm. If permit holders HAD been allowed to carry their firearms he may have been stopped much sooner.
The real meaning of no gun zones has been "Free Fire Zones." Most of the mass murders in the last few decades had been in "Gun Free Zones" where murderers could be assured their victims would be unarmed.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I fully agree with you. There was a good story on state colleges in Utah where students are allowed to carry and do carry in case some souless coward goes crying for help.
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hey bonnie i said i accept your laws ect but it does not mean i have to like it anyway i suppose i ruffled some feathers on this one next subject friendly fire in iraq LOL just joking bros i know most of you are good people so keep riding and talking bikes thats what this forum is about after all oh and by the way i believe that the invasion of afghanastan was correct after what the taliban did to NY on 911 those murderous rag heads deserve what they get from all the boys who are out there keeping us free to be able to air our opinions as we wish only one thing more to say : god save the queen and god bless america 
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here if we shoot someone cos they break in to our property we are the ones liable
And this doesn't sound bass-ackwards to you?
it does not seem backwards in our culture. I'm not saying we don't have robbers in Norway, but here we don't shoot them, we kick their ****** to kingdom come instead
Gun violence is not new in the United States, with the assassinations of President Abraham Lincoln in 1865, and of Presidents James Garfield, William McKinley, and John F. Kennedy. High profile gun violence incidents, such as the assassinations of Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, Jr., and, more recently, the Columbine High School massacre, the Beltway sniper attacks, and the Virginia Tech massacre.
USA is a land of guns, but then again, we Norwegians and Swedes where a land of swords and axes (with the vikings) We even went all over europe and to the UK to kill the peasants and monks (probably glad they didn't have arms lol)and rob them silly when we weren't busy fighting amongst ourselves (tribes and all that)...
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if you get pulled over by local p.d., a concealed carry permit is an excellent character reference......that's as much as i'm gonna "beat this dead horse".
some people are like slinkies, they serve no purpose, but, they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
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