Yes, you're right it is a lot of information but I just want to be as informed as possible. An informed buyer will be able to make the correct decision and get a good deal. The suggestions for people looking to purchase a new auto is just that suggestions, I've suggest it to friends and familey. The ones that follow my advice are happy with their deal. If you don't want the adive then don't listen to it, but if you research my information you will find that it is true. My ture reason for creating the post is stated in the post, what is the "holdback" for Triumph Dealers and what are ligitmate fees? I just want to be able to receive a fair price when I make my purchase. Is it not the right thing to do, should I walk into a dealer without doing any research and just keeping my fingers crossed that he's looking out for my best interest?