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In the U.K. there is a magazine called 'Back Street Heroes' which features (for the most part) home built specials, low to medium budget customs with the occasional OCC-type bike. There is always far more feedback on the bikes built in sheds and lock-up garages than the mega-buck creations that are un-rideable on British roads. Surely a chop should be something you build yourself, from parts you begged, borrowed or stole. A bike that reflects you and your aims cos you built it. Should it be a mega-buck trinket that you wrote a cheque for and maybe gets ridden on sunny Sundays ?? That ain't my idea of a chop or custom !!! 
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I agree to me in order to be a chopper it has to start as a production motorcycle then you chop it. If it was built from the ground up out of materials it isn't a chopper it is a custom. I would much rather see the stuff guys do in the shed and garage with little money and lots of imagination. That guy Goofslapper that was on here had some cool ideas. I would still like to learn that cold cast he was doing. He made some cool skull accents that way. Look at Toms (Brokenfixed) bike, to me thats a chopper, he has chopped parts off, to me it doesn't have to have a long front end to be a chopper, cut the fenders and it becomes a bobber but still rather see stuff like that than the high end stuff. Anyone can throw money at something but not everyone can cut and weld and bend and paint to get what they want. I used Toms bike as an example but I have seen many others on her Roberts is another example I have seen recently.
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I liked the early days of WCC better. Never been much of a fan of OCC.
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Bout twice a year we get some rants about these guys.
Yea well there is not one of us who wouldnt change places.
Lets see these guys build bikes for a living,lets take them out and shoot them for that, ohh they turned a little cable show into a money machine, string them up I say.
They get to ride all over the country and Triumph even gave them bikes,how dare they take free bikes none of us would thats for sure.
Ohhh and the get to play with the lastest toys for bending and building,not me I would of stayed in the first shop that didnt have bathrooms.
There isnt a person on here the would not change places.
Like there bikes or hate them, they took a chance and grabbed the brass ring. I respect them and more so I wish I had the guts start my own chopper/custom/motorcycle shop.
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When my son wanted to take helo pilot training with Silverstate Helo, I did some investigating on Jerry Airola the CEO. It was controversial enough about his "student loan farm" that I advised my son against going in debt for $60K for it. Kind of a shady past on this guy.
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Good lookin' out - dig a little deeper and you'll see he's more than shady. He was pretty big news around here a couple years ago when he ran for public office....as sherrif. He fabricated a past as a law enforcement officer and somehow didn't think the truth would come out. Turns out he donated a bunch of $$ to a police department in California and they made him an "honorary deputy".
Yep. Dude's a serious flake.
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I wouldnt trade places. I dont have the skill to turn raw steel into anything functional. I can weld however, and sometimes as a carpenter do. I would much rather work with wood to make my money. I dont want to work those long hours they have to either. I enjoy 40 hours a week. Then again, I work to live, not live to work.
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As usual, I'm of two minds about it. I find myself agreeing with both Stern and Dogg. Having said that, I would difinately rather look at a magazine or a show where ordinary guys build extraordinary machines without unlimited use of professional equipment or employees. In my home shop, which has most of every kind of tool I can afford,(and after years of buying stuff, piece by piece as I could afford it) I build some pretty cool stuff, usually the hard way. Want a cool looking steel bracket? I might be able to do it with a torch, welder and lots of grinding. Wish I had a 150 thousand dollar water jet cutter? I suppose, but lets be real. And I guess that is what I'm really saying in summation, I like my bikes, people and craftmanship to be real, cause that inspires me more than watching demi-gods sorta build stuff. One final note, I really used to like a custom rodder (car) magazine called Old School Rodz. Check it out if you can find it. 
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Lets see these guys build bikes for a living,
Appreciate what your saying but how much 'building' do the main players in the outfit actually do ?? From what I've seen the 'family' seem to rant and rave a lot, blame the workforce when it ain't going right, swan about meeting major players in other industries but don't seem to get greasy and dirty making bikes !!! 
Yeah....if I could do it, I would......simply to be able to mess with the kit they've got and put my ideas into practice. My gripe with OCC is that they ain't building chops....they're building cheque-book customs that don't reflect the true spirit of bike building.
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They build theme bikes for the TV show. They are to be put up on a pedestal someplace as corporation art. They are not supposed to be ultra-functional. Have you seen the bikes they sell? Very ridable and very functional choppers are what I see for sale at OCC. Very similar to Iron Horse bikes. Oh, now it get it, its not a bagger with a windshield so its bad  They make their own fenders, tanks, and many times frames. They wire totally from the bottom up and set the theme from a set of drawings. They extrude their own handlebars and cut their own billet aluminum. They make no excuses for using a fabulous painter for the tins and powder coating. Wow! I didn't know all you guys were building bikes better then them. I am humbled in your presence They are a great American success story and like it or not they at least give biking some exposure. They do not, in my humble opinion, hurt biking in any way. They don't kill other bikers while drunk and don't die of drug overdoses either. That said, I don't watch them much, its just silly what they build sometimes. You guys do know, or should know, that the military, Fire Dept., and NASA bikes were done for free to honor those folks. I must have missed the other bike builders dropping off bikes to the New York Fire Department as a symbol of gratitude for their sacrifices. 
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As usual, I'm of two minds about it. I find myself agreeing with both Stern and Dogg. Having said that, I would difinately rather look at a magazine or a show where ordinary guys build extraordinary machines without unlimited use of professional equipment or employees. In my home shop, which has most of every kind of tool I can afford,(and after years of buying stuff, piece by piece as I could afford it) I build some pretty cool stuff, usually the hard way. Want a cool looking steel bracket? I might be able to do it with a torch, welder and lots of grinding. Wish I had a 150 thousand dollar water jet cutter? I suppose, but lets be real. And I guess that is what I'm really saying in summation, I like my bikes, people and craftmanship to be real, cause that inspires me more than watching demi-gods sorta build stuff. One final note, I really used to like a custom rodder (car) magazine called Old School Rodz. Check it out if you can find it.
Got my tools the same way and make my stuff the same way. The water jet would be great but heck I would settle for a nice plasma cutter.
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just to throw it in, the builder who built the Triumph powerd chopper was Rick Fairless of Strokers of Dallas
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I agree with you, Ron. The people commissioning the theme bikes could care less if they're ridable or not. They are looking for a piece of "rolling art" to put in the company foyer or to display at trade shoes to attract attention, and they do that very well. On a ride this summer I rode for a while with a fellow on a T-Rex. Not my kind of bike, but it looked well made, and ran great. Speaking of rolling art has this thing ever been posted here? 
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I never saw it but it is cool looking.I think the reason we all talk about the way OCC bikes are almost unridable is at the end of every build they talk about how great the bike handles and rides. Just look at most of them and you know thats a bunch of BS. It;s like saying my hard tail springer rides nice. I love the bike and it is fun to ride but it doesn't handle well when compared to a normal bike.They buy nearly all their fenders and gas tanks unless something has changed recently the same for their frames. They have had a frame or 2 changed but they didn't do it. they also had a couple built but again they didn't do it. Cutting a fender out of a preformed blank isn't making one. I only saw 1 tank made by them and that was made by that Rick guy. Jesse James I have seen hammer many tanks and fenders himself out of a piece of flat sheet metal. Also have seen him bend tubes on a bench and cut and weld them into a frame. This as far as I have ever seen is way beyond OCC capability. Anyone with a little time to lean a water jet machine can cut gingerbread. Even the spider bike Paul Jr. only tack welded the stuff then had someone who knew how to weld do the final welding. I have seen them cut a Pan frame to get exhaust in and wreck the neck because they had no idea how to assemble it. I saw them screw up a tranny then have someone outside OCC put it together. The only reason they are doing anything themselves now is they have hired more guys that can do more things. Paul Jr seems from the show to be a spoiled rich kid and dim bulb. I have seen them take hammers to things you never take a hammer to. Cutting torch inside an engine that was still in the frame. The list of boneheaded blunders is just endless.Not sure how much is for TV and how much is real but it doesn't reflect well on them if it is real. Like I said I have respect for Paul Sr. He built his steel business up from nothing and got OCC going too and worked it up into the money machine it is now. He also kicked a bad drug problem. He has my respect for those things.
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Sorry Guys, but...I bet Keanu Reeves has a lot o' money too, but trust me...that dude will NEVER WIN an OSCAR for acting.(BTW...Paris Hilton and a whole host of "rich" people come readily to mind in this regard TOO!)   And Chris...sorry to disappoint you, but naaah! I wouldn't want to change places with Walrus Man! Not in a million years, and not for a million bucks either. You see, that would probably mean I'd be living in N.Y. freezin' my a$$ off right now, and would not be living and riding my BA here in sunny SoCal or AZ.(it's December right now, ya know) Not to mention, it appears that building the SAME basic custom motorcycle, over and over and over again, using basically the SAME hard-tail frame, the SAME S&S motor, and the SAME long-long(much TOO long) forks, will put a lot of weight around the ol' belly.(this would be bad on the ol' knees of a retiree who still likes to stay in shape by playing a few sets of tennis a couple days a week in sunny SoCal or AZ, ya know....OUCH!!!) I'll leave you guys with one final thought..."Nobody ever went broke under-estimating the taste of the american public"-H.L.Mencken(1880-1956) american journalist and critic
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They all make bikes better than I can. I think OCC makes some good looking bikes they sell as their product line.
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OH! And BTW...If I wanted a "work of art", I'll save up my money and buy a friggin' PICASSO!!! (Though, if worse came to worse, I could probably drip a whole bunch of paint all over some canvas, and maybe pass it off as a Jackson Pollock....I mean, how hard could THAT BE???!!!)
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Okay Ron, all kidding aside(this is gonna kill me, but I'll try)....
The whole story in a nutshell about these guys is that they were smart enough to "strike while the iron was hot". In that I mean they came onto the scene when motorcycling was experiencing a resurgence in the public's mind.(thanks in large part to Willie G. buying his family's concern back and then making the more reliable Evo Harley, just as many of us Boomers came back to motorcycles after the kids went off to college. Because there were few, if any, mass media programs about motorcycle makers, and because these guys had a "good shtick"(their little dramatic tiffs), and because they could bolt together and weld together parts...it took off and captured the public's imagination.
Now admittedly, I haven't watched them much since the first year they were broadcast on their old network(Discovery), and maybe they have become more imaginative with their design elements and MAYBE have actually branched out to be more than what Jesse James called them a few year ago("Cake Decorators"), but I kind of doubt it.(but as I said, I haven't watch them since they were switched to the TLC network, so I don't know for sure)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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They have a website Dwight. Their production motorcycles are as good as and as good looking as Big Dog or Iron Horse IMHO> Jesse James? He has been making the same bike with diffferent paint for 15 years. Why is he some authority for anything. Must be a west coast thing. Body guard and borderline criminal married to a porn star to get his firt money. There is no evidence I have ever seen that Jesse James makes anything, camera just shows him kinda working at it. I take that back, he knows how to make Cisco Burgers at his burger joint. But he was good enough to land Sandra Bullock! I give him a 10 for that one! anyhow, I am not defending them, but I think they were very good business people, and deserve what they have.
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these bikes can settle most of the arguement   If I was on a "business man forum", I'd probably be praising OCC, but Im on a motorcycle forum so these corporate art dust collectors suk to me. I think its important when comparing jesse james to OCC, to take notice that theyre both very successful. I think jesse took the right route to his celebrity status as a bike builder. The shows that he did had a lot more integrity, as well as the business he runs. As opposed to selling his name to 2nd rate products like cheap guitars and bobble head dolls from OCC.
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hehe like Jesse makes such wonderful stuff. That is horrible by the way. Look at Jesse bike 2 and tell me how ridable that baby is here is oneGot a new erector set Jesse? The next one is precious click this Your are absolutely right, the is a motorcycle forum.
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Their themed bikes are corporate art, and their production bikes are as good as any custom. I would like to see them build a bagger now.
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hehe like Jesse makes such wonderful stuff. That is horrible by the way. Look at Jesse bike 2 and tell me how ridable that baby is
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Got a new erector set Jesse? The next one is precious
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Your are absolutely right, the is a motorcycle forum.
Well taste we can argue until the cows come home...but i'd rather ride both of those wcc bikes you pictured over most of the occ billboard bikes.
Ill agree that jesse makes pretty much the same bike over and over...but hes building bikes for customers...hes not trying to push the boundries of what a bike can look like. He doesnt need to make a gas tank look like a comanche helicopter to make his loot.
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Umm...Ron. Here's a pic of just one of Jesse's DIFFERENT ideas that he built a couple of years ago which you may remember. If you notice it doesn't have(like ALL of the O.C.C. bikes have) a long and useless folk arrangement. It is in fact a Honda VTX cruiser engine placed inside a custom-built cafe racer. Jesse even engineered(though maybe not totally successful in application) a brake system attached to the clutch case instead of the rear wheel. Do you HONESTLY THINK those guys in N.Y. could possibly even think up something along this line, let alone even engineer it to completion???   Sorry dude, but I've never witnessed anything in their past endevors that would give me the slightest indication that they first-could open their eyes to the fact that there are other catagories of motorcycles other than a "work of art"(read: basically unrideable or near unrideable choppers), or secondly-they'd have the engineering know how to make something totally original that WORKS in the real world, and not just sit in some millionaire's game room.(when he's not using it to impress people while riding it from bar to bar, that is)
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Wonder where he got his idea 
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Jesse James was commissioned by Honda to build that bike. Just information. I'm stayin' out o' this one. Don't like big buck "choppers".  (that OCC job don't have a rear suspension though.)
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I'll give Jesse James some props. Not necessarily for the bikes, but when he wanted to visit the troops in Iraq with the USO tour, Discovery (or whichever he was on) Channel said no. He told them to lump it and went anyway, signing on the manifest as one of Kid Rock's roadies.
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Just coincidently I saw the above episode this evening. I kind of like it (the bike, not the episode).
On another subject, let's not kid ourselves, any bike with a 40 degree rake (as with most OCC bikes) is not going to be very rideable ... no matter who builds it.
BTW, IMO the 2 JJ bikes pictured (links) in Saxtron's post look like 3rd class cra ... crates.
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If anyone's ever sat on an OCC chopper, the limit is about 3 miles or 10 minutes.. One of my friends in Hawaii has one... traded a Vette and some cash for it... If it didn't have the OCC logo on it, you'd think it was just a half_ssed chop built by some not too good garage mech.
Oh... his opinions... it's a piece of rolling furniture.
What he does with it? Rides it to downtown Waikiki on nice Sunday evenings so the Japanese tourists can sit on it and take pics of each other. Parks it by the Cheesecake factory...(or used to) You should see the peeps faces when they see the bright orange bike with the OCC logo....
I swear some of the guys wet themselves....<BG>
I'd like to see the OCC guys ride any of their bikes on a trip like Jessee and Kid rock took to Copper Canyon... even if they did have the whole Discovery crew...<G>
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Now admittedly, I haven't watched them much since the first year they were broadcast on their old network(Discovery), and maybe they have become more imaginative with their design elements and MAYBE have actually branched out to be more than what Jesse James called them a few year ago("Cake Decorators"), but I kind of doubt it.(but as I said, I haven't watch them since they were switched to the TLC network, so I don't know for sure)
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They actually do almost everything (excluding engines and paintwork, as previously mentioned) including frames, trees, side cover fabrication, handlebars, engraving and wheels in-house nowadays.
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Not exactly a cafe racer there Ron, so I don't think Jesse got his "idea" from them, but dang it all to heck, that bike IS pretty darn nice. Kind of a bobber/flat tracker, actually. And you're tellin' me THOSE GUYS built it?  Well shoot!!! And here I thought they only made those long, long, long, long, long, long, long, stupid handling(and I don't mean that "stupid" word the way the kids are usin' it today, BTW  ) machines that so many people "THINK" are so, quote, "bad a$$, duuuuuude!" They ACTUALLY MADE a motorcycle that looks like it can get out of it's own way and maybe make a U-turn in less than 50 feet wide! I am SHOCKED!!! (IT WAS ABOUT TIME!!!!) And so, I guess I stand(err...SIT here at my computer, anyway) corrected.  (I'm still watchin' whatever's on the History Channel when they're on, however)
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I'll give Jesse James some props. Not necessarily for the bikes, but when he wanted to visit the troops in Iraq with the USO tour, Discovery (or whichever he was on) Channel said no. He told them to lump it and went anyway, signing on the manifest as one of Kid Rock's roadies.
Very cool. I don't really care for Jesse on a personal level but the boy is talented. Even if you put the bike building aside he has talent. And I agree you have to commend him for going to see the troops no matter what anyone said.
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Now that I have had fun arguing this thread, I would never own any of them. Jesse put together (with some exceptions) the same bike with just different paint and a few do-dads. He was born too late to ever develop a real old school feel. When he would try it would turn out very badly like the links I posted.
OCC builds monstrosities with lots of do-dads. They are all over-rated. Given enough time and money anybody with a garage and a welder can make an ugly chopper. The biggest question would be why would they want to.
In the 60s there was a chopper project in a garage on every block in the northeast as I grew up. They would get them together get them to barely run and take them to Philly and Baltimore to the bike shows.
Look around for classic choppers built in the 60s. Generally they are all in the scrap heap because the frames gave out. Lots of very good Triumph motors were wasted on these sorry excuses for motorcycles.
Anyhow, I never rode a chopper I liked. I have ridden a lot of choppers. They all suck past 100 miles in my humble opinion.
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I love my chopper, The weld on hardtail did break bur I welded it back together and put a plate across the break. I find it much more comfortable than my Speedmaster. I run 10 PSI in the rear wheel for cushion , It doesn't handle like my Speedmaster by any stretch but I love to ride it. The old Pachgo (sp?) springer bounces and flexes but thats half the fun. I rode that bike across the country and loved it. Needs a tune up and a good bath at the moment but thats all.
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