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book says 15-50w I have only found 10-40 & 20-50 which should I use??
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I use the 20-50 but if you are going to ride in cold weather use the thinner oil for that and the thicker for warmer weather.
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Shell Rotella T- Synthetic 5W-40 16 Schimoleans at Wally World.
Cant go wrong with it. Lots of us are using it.
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ride 400 miles on a hot day and see what happens to that crap. I think its junk
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Hmmmm. well now I rode all the way to Sturgis and back on that junk and it held up just fine.
LOL....
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Should have said it was just my opnion. But I wouldent run it in my bike. Glad your bike made it there and back.
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I seem to have read the posts from some pretty knowledgable types on this here August FORUM who also use the Rotella and have produced studies that seem to give great credence to its use.
I change it every 3-4 thousand miles so it seems to me to be the economic choice. If you really pound on the miles as we do here in the Southwest where the riding season never ends.....paying $9.00 dollars a quart for oil that you change every 3K in a 23k mile year....well that adds up.
I have not heard a peep from anyone who has had problems with using the Rotella T.
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we just have to agree to disagree on this one and move on! AMSOIL ALL THE WAY!!!!!   EDIT: P.S. I only pay $5.49 a qt. for the Amsoil.
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As I stated in the last post its only my opnion. I can manage to squeze in about 17k above the mason dixon. im sure we would both agree opnions are like buttholes..
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I run Amsoil in my Triumph and HD now,but I used to run Rotella in several trucks I owned, good oil in my opinion just never ran it in a bike...
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Since I have one too...... Motul 5100 15w50 ......
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there's bunches of folks on FJR forum that use rotella 5-40 in high revving inline 4's, got some for mine, have'nt put it in yet. yamaha spec's 20-40, just changed it to 20-50. just put amsoil 20-50 in both triumphs, cause triumph spec's 15-50, and it gets hot in ms. ain't no way i'm gonna give them idiots [dealers] 15$ a quart for mobile-1 altho i run it in my z-71, 4.00$ quart from wal-mart. why in the world does triumph price their dealers out of all the service work they could pick up if half-way reasonable???
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1,200,000 miles without an overhaul on one my detroit diesel engines running rotella oil. Have gone as much as 25,000 miles between changes. I don't think its exacalty junk. Been running rotella as well as just about every other brand of oil on the market for disels for the last 30 plus years. We've done oil samples and always found rotella to be a good product.
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Yeah my 87 6.2L got about 275,000 out of it before I sold it,the truck was junk but the engine still ran.
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I love this thread (every time!). You can't beat Amsoil, however there are several very good brands on the market today for us. Most of your high end oils are good. Synthetics are hands down better than conventional oils. Stay away from paraffin based oils.
I've run Amsoil in everything (trucks, boat, bikes, car, lawnmower) for the last 6 years, including a powered up Cummins Ram. Oil analysis always showed contamination (carbon from the forced overfueling and big turbo) to necessitate an oil change, not the oils properties.
Any of the high end synthetics will do you a good job Amsoil, Lucas, Mobile, BelRay (if you can find it), Castrol, etc. (My personal advice is to stay away from Royal Purple). Yes, I'm an Amsoil dealer, but only because I like the discount for my personal use.
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Both Royal Purple and Lucas are pretty bad from what I have seen in the tests. The rest are good Amsoil and Mobil being the cream of the crop.
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Mobil One from the Triumph dealer was and is high $$$$.I switched to the Amsoil.If you don't want to be a dealer you can become a "preferred customer" and get it at a better price.You just order it and they ship it to you.I am now running it my wifes car also.Here in the SW desert it was around 120F when I switched her car to the Amsoil.I did notice the temp gauge staying a little cooler.I also run my Speedmaster the factory recommended 6000 miles between changes.I know that sounds nuts to some,but I figure for what synthetic cost I am going to get my moneys worth.I use the 20w-50 in the bike.My bike has over 36,000 miles on it now and is due for another oil change soon.I also have the Amsoil fork oil in the front forks.Hey last time I went 20,000 miles about on the fork oil without a change,don't put it off.It is amazing how dirty that oil gets for being sealed up.
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yeah I run Amsoil 100% in everything including our cars,truck and bikes....
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Just when you think the ubiquitous OIL THREAD has gone into remission , it reappears . Aaaakk ! Oil is fun , waller in it .  Yikes , gotta go ,just got a call to haul dirt on northside Atlanta in my truck with 9 gallons of brand new....... ......ROTELLA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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strip the sheets off the water bed then oil up and yeee haawww!
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Light distillates went up on the east coast 6 cents per gallon a minute ago
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Mobil One from the Triumph dealer was and is high $$$$.I switched to the Amsoil.If you don't want to be a dealer you can become a "preferred customer" and get it at a better price.You just order it and they ship it to you.I am now running it my wifes car also.Here in the SW desert it was around 120F when I switched her car to the Amsoil.I did notice the temp gauge staying a little cooler.I also run my Speedmaster the factory recommended 6000 miles between changes.I know that sounds nuts to some,but I figure for what synthetic cost I am going to get my moneys worth.I use the 20w-50 in the bike.My bike has over 36,000 miles on it now and is due for another oil change soon.I also have the Amsoil fork oil in the front forks.Hey last time I went 20,000 miles about on the fork oil without a change,don't put it off.It is amazing how dirty that oil gets for being sealed up.
I ran through the sw usa between tuson and LA last oct/nov and oil temp was crazy high. Any one runs thru there knows what I/m talking about. This info is greatly recieved. bonneville salt flats I think would be the same.
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One of the greatest minds of all times RECOMMENDS the Shell Rotella and uses it exclusively in his bike and he probly has one of the best if not THE best performing bike on the forum. That would be Pat (Dinqua) If its good enough for his bike it'll do in mine.
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True, but, the bike with the highest HP to CC ratio runs Suzuki oil. Wondering aloud... Anyone ever try traditional type $6 a quart Mobil 1 in a Hinckley Triumph? I wonder... I may try this next time http://www.autobarn.net/mobil-1-diesel-truck.html
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Shell Rotella T- Synthetic 5W-40
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Rotella is all I have used, and I have more 400+ mile days than I'll ever remember, and yeah, it can be a little warm down here. I ride in 5 o'clock traffic, in 90+ degree heat, and my oil samples always make me smile. 36k, and time for another oil change. I'm sticking with the original 4k service interval Triumph recommended in my owner's manual, but I know I could do 6k if I wanted to without a hitch.
I also feel strongly that ANY good oil, changed at proper intervals, would serve these bikes well and not result in premature wear or failure. Synthetic or not. If you changed it at 3-4k intervals and had samples tested, I would bet that all would be okay.
I'll stick with the Rotella-T Synthetic for my bike though. I have 156k on my '96 Chevy truck and have been using straight 30w Valvoline for the last 100k or more. Before that I used Mobile One, when it was still a new truck, until my oil distributor convinced me it was not cost effective when 200-300k could be realized without problems on conventional oil changed at proper intervals. What would you expect to gain for paying 3-4x the cost? (I'm not racing it, or running high rpms...) So I went back to conventional oil in the truck and it still runs like new.
Proper oil change intervals are not always gauged by the miles on the odometer. That needs to be factored in with the amount of time between the oil changes, and the type of service the motor is subjected to. A lot of long highway trips is much better than a lot of short trips where the engine is constantly warming up then cooling down. Those heat cycles are what breaks down the oil because of the condensation and results in water in the oil, changing the oil properties.
 
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Thats funny I run a 96 Chevy truck too and run Castrol HD 30 same in my old wrecker. the 96 has almost 120,000 on it and the wrecker had about 1,000,000 when I stopped keeping track.(not origonal engine anymore) Always ran Castrol in my old Triumphs with no issues but they didn't last nearly as long as these new Triumphs.
EDIT: well the top end didn't anyway the bottom ends in those old twins were bullet proof.
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...with 9 gallons of brand new.......
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WOW!
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the bike with the highest HP to CC ratio runs Suzuki oil.
Wondering aloud... Anyone ever try traditional type $6 a quart Mobil 1 in a Hinckley Triumph? I wonder...
I may try this next time
http://www.autobarn.net/mobil-1-diesel-truck.html
Oils intended for automotive gasoline engines have friction modifiers that may cause slippage of the wet clutch.
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book says 15-50w I have only found 10-40 & 20-50 which should I use??
Since your original question got kind of lost here (imagine that!!!  )
The book says 15w-50 or 10w-40.
I use 10w-40 full synthetic motorcycle specific oil year round.
Now it doesn't get too cold for too long here, but the summers get hot. 117 degrees typically.
I've had no problems with the 10w-40.
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Not to keep beating this dead horse, but my opinion.
As I haven't ridden my BA in months but only my Thruxton, my viewpoint will be a bit different. First of all, keep in mind that the Thruxton on average, runs around 40 degrees warmer than the BA. Riding highway on a normal 80 degree day, it sticks at 215-225, where the BA will run at 175-185. Note that these temperatures are taken with the exact same temp gauge (I switch it between my 2 bikes). And when I used to ride every day in NYC, I'd see the temp hit 250-260 EVERY afternoon riding home.
So knowing this, I'd NEVER use the 5-40 in the summer. Now that the temperature has been in the 30's almost every morning, I did notice my bike refusing to idle properly. So I went ahead and tried the Rotella 5-40 this weekend, and have noticed drastic improvements with the ease of idle.
So I plan on running the Rotella all winter, then swapping back out for Amsoil 20-50 as soon as spring breaks.
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I should have stated I run the Amsoil 20-50 MOTORCYCLE syn. oil. When I read Bigbills post i realised I hadn't specified it was the motorcycle specific oil.
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...with 9 gallons of brand new.......
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WOW!
It's a Cummins L-10 330 , sad that stuff is 10.00 a gallon .
I can get by with 8 but 9 tops it off . Lasts 12 K to 15 K .
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I should have stated I run the Amsoil 20-50 MOTORCYCLE syn. oil. When I read Bigbills post i realised I hadn't specified it was the motorcycle specific oil.
i was told there's no difference between amsoil's 20w-50 and amsoil's motorcycle 20w-50. true?
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Been on holiday for a month so missed this one hope somebody reads my little imput from Brisbane australia. It is hot here and I have tried every oil I can get my hands on and found that it only lasted 2ooo k's before gearbox got clunky etc.
I tried to find shell Rotella but it is not imported or made in Aus so after investigation I used something similer which was penzoil (spelt correctly?) 20-50 diesel oil which is a high performance oil works great had it in for 8000 k's and am now going to change oil and filter (03 speedmaster from new 27,000 k's) just the best oil! However because it is so hot here I did try 20-60 diesel but found that the heavy oil slowed down the motor to a noticable amount so drained it and used 20-50. If you live in a warm climate I dont think I would use 15-40 or such like as it might run a bit thn at high temperature.
Thats just my 2 cents worth I guess we will use what we like when we like even when other resort to degrading remarks for being different. (all those who have three our fathers please)
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I use the Rotella 5-40 no problems. But Matt Letard is correct about the extreme heat. I ran it on the way to NH rally last year and got caught in 95ºF temps with bumper to bumper traffic on the expressway (with no exit or anywhere to go) for several hours and the bike got so hot I had to stop and let her cool, but then again so did every bike on the road too. But this was a very severe example of heat, never had any issues other then the one day. I will continue using it as I have been very happy with it.
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I seem to have read the posts from some pretty knowledgable types on this here August FORUM who also use the Rotella and have produced studies that seem to give great credence to its use.
I change it every 3-4 thousand miles so it seems to me to be the economic choice. If you really pound on the miles as we do here in the Southwest where the riding season never ends.....paying $9.00 dollars a quart for oil that you change every 3K in a 23k mile year....well that adds up.
I have not heard a peep from anyone who has had problems with using the Rotella T.
Not to stir this up (again). I've no experience with Rotella, and I'm sure its a fine lubricant. Not what my post is about at all.
There is a cost savings to using Amsoil. You don't change Amsoil at the usual 2-3k intervals. I'm yet to change mine, but it only has about 5k miles on it. I'll change it at least every year, but the oil analysis I got at 3k says it still good as new. With the modern synthetics, it is more about contamination than degradation.
Use what you like- both seem to be fine in our bikes. I've run Amsiol for years in my trucks, boat, bikes, cars, and lawnmowers. I get an analysis done on every vehicle (well, not the mover) to see how often to change it. After that, I just put it on a schedule. I had to change the Diesel twice a year, but I sold it. Everything I currently own get a oil change once a year- 1st weekend in March, actually. It's on my calendar.
We put about 8-10k miles on each vehicle, and about 80hr on the boat every year.
The biggest + to me is only having[\i] to do the oil change once a year. Oil changes are a PITA, IMHO.
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I guess I better rethink my oil choice. Im a new TBA owner, a 2003 with 13000 miles. The bike was obviously very well kept. I just changed the oil for the first time and used castrol syntec blend 10w-40. This is not motorcycle specific oil but unless Im misinterpreting the owners manual I know it states semi-synthetic or synthetic but as long as it met certain other specs it doesnt have to be motorcycle specific oil. Correct me If Im wrong. I've not noticed a difference in shifting characteristics or clutch operation with before and after using this oil. Oh and by the way glad to be a new member of this forum, it rocks! Hello to all.
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