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The SHOW was in Houston this weekend, so I went down this morning to see what other bikes I could find to ride. With the Republic of Texas Rally in Galveston this weekend, I thought the MC show might be slow, and maybe it was. (I have no interest at all in going near the drunks on two wheels down on the Island.) Within 10 minutes of parking my bike, I was signed up for 4 demo rides - two Kawasaki (900 Custom, Mean Streak), and 2 Yamaha (Warrior, and the new Raider). After my first ride, I signed on for another Kawasaki ride, on the 2000LT. With no intention of this, all rides progressed to a larger sized, bike from the one before it. The 900 custom felt like I was sitting too near the triple tree, and the tank was too fat - no way to get a good squeeze on it with my knees. Before we even hit the freeway I had a bad tingle in my hands, and by the time we got up to speed, a bad tingle in my feet. The transmission and power seemed to be okay, but short-shifting was necessary as expected of the V-Twin, and I decided real quick I would not be happy with it if I owned one. Even a short 60-70 mile ride would be an agravation. Tried to put my feet up on the rear pegs (yeah right, like I would make a long haul trip on that thing?) but there was no way - too high, too close to my saddle. The Mean Streak was a big dissappointment in that it had a BIG vibration at 1500 rpm when revved, and a very annoying buzz or rattle of some sort from the engine that sounded like a heat shield or some other loose trim, but every time I rolled off the throttle you could hear it when the forks compressed, at any speed. The transmission was fine, and the power good though. Just not for me. I did manage to get my feet up on the rear pegs though. Not bad. (And I don't care what those behind me thought about it.) The Yamaha Warrior was a nice upgrade - no real complaints. Well put together, and well-mannered. It was my favorite of the three so far, but the V-Twin vibe was more than I would have wanted on a long ride, and it was worse at higher speeds, too. The new Raider I really did not care for the looks of, but they had so many, it was obvious that this was the new "temptation" this year (last year it was the 1300 cruiser)so I chose to try it. I did the FJR 1300A last year, and they had no othersport bikes this year. A raked out "custom chopperish" type of cruiser, with the big 1800cc Stratoliner motor in it (only weighs 6 lbs. less than the Strat I was told), the Raider turned out to be a winner. The Raider was fast, powerful, easy to handle in all strret and road conditions, and overall a real pleasure to ride. It was fun. Maybe not very practical, but fun. I could not picture it with a windshield or bags of any kind, so what would I ever do with something like that? And the Red and Blue solids that they were presented in - did nothing for me. But a nice package, nonetheless. Last ride - the Kawasaki 2000LT. What a dissappointment! It sounded like a farm implement, with weird noises coming from all over. A buzz or rattle under the bars somewhere, brakes, a weird moan from the engine when engine braking from speed....I could go on. The vibration was unacceptable, the power was not what I expected it to be - at times it just did not seem to want to accelerate in any gear. It had a surge at idle...I don't think the EFI was mapped too well on that bike. The windshield was too big, and did no good whatsoever. Actually I left a stop with my shield open and that was much better than with it shut behind that big screen. The buffeting at 70 mph was ridiculous. Maybe Kawasaki needs to quality-check their fleet before an event like this. All three were really dissappointing, and for reasons I would be having one back at the Dealership for, were I to own one. There really is no excuse for that. V-Twin Vibe? I don't get it. They can engineer that out of these things, but they "believe" the public would not buy one that did not "feel like a Harley"? I have a hard time believing that. That is more ignorance talking than common sense.  So I rode 100 miles on five different Jap bikes and could not wait to get back on my Speedmaster. So glad I found this forum and saw the light before I went out and bought my first bike 3 years ago.  As for the show inside, I walked the floor and filled a bag full of brochures and such. Don't take a lot of money - you will be tempted to spend some on all the aftermarket stuff. Lots of leathers and gloves and such. I go in each year simply to renew my AMA membership in person at the AMA booth. The rest is just icing on the cake. Hot Tip: If you are looking for chaps, leather jacket, boots, vest, etc., RED WING BOOTS was there with quite a spread-out display of a new line of motor clothes, and at Introductory Prices. These things have not yet hit the retail stores or the internet, yet, so if you can get to a show, and are in the market.....can't question the quality of their stuff. The leather jackets were buttery soft, but a lot thicker than the "cheap" stuff I saw at other boothes. Waterproof, too. Demo Rides: Victory (Vision Street and Tour only) Kawasaki (pretty much their whole line-up) Yamaha (cruisers and the FJRs only) I hope they keep bringing the show back to Houston. I really look forward to riding the other bikes, and to park mine for free, never go inside the show, and ride their bikes all day? That cost me my time, and gas to get there, and that's it. Not a bad way to spend the day. 
Keith Houston Ridin'Texas '04 Speedmaster AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K 2020 T120 Black
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I will hopefully be at a lot of larger bike shows next year with a few custom Triumphs. As well as selling stuff. SO dont spend all your money in the redwing tent
Dont like what you see??? Big red X in the top right of your screen will fix it!
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Keith, nice write-up! The MC show comes to New York December 28. I've already booked the day off.
That Raider is one weird-looking bike. It seems to me they're trying to hard with some of the styling on the Jap cruisers.
FYI, if you want a Victory demo ride any dealer will give you one any time you want, on any model you want. Be forewarned, that's how they get you...
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Why is Triumph not going to be at the NY show?
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Why is Triumph not going to be at the NY show?
Usually, they tend to sell everything they can make. Guess they don't feel the expense is justified because they are producing bikes as fast as they can and selling them all.
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Triumph doesn't do any of the shows. They stopped a few years back.
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They were at Laconia 2 years ago. Haven't seen them since then though.
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Yeah that's at the bike week's. That's different. This is a traveling show with all of the other manufacturer's plus some major manufacturer's of gear. This one travel the country for about six months.
My guess is that it's either to costly to do for the supposed benefits or they don't want to tie up the demo truck for that long.
John
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I guess it must be a local dealer decision because Triumph were at the Sydney motorcycle show last weekend.
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That Raider is one weird-looking bike. It seems to me they're trying to hard with some of the styling on the Jap cruisers.
I just re-read the full-page ad for the Raider inside the cover of my new Rider magazine. "Jaw dropping performance and incredible handling."
Again, the looks do nothing for me, as it is raked out too much and looks obviously "custom" (not saying that is a bad thing. Just not MY thing.) I just rode it because it was there. But I have to admit it handled a ****** of a lot better than I expected it to, even at low speeds and on very rough downward sloped,rutted asphault coming to a stop and a right hand turn. Bad stretch of road to have in the middle of a group demo ride, but was a nice route otherwise, and hey - in the real world you deal with what life throws at you, right? It was fast when getting on it, and I found easy to lay into right-angle turns, either left or right. I was curious enough to want to research what the rake/trail numbers are on it, but they were not in the Yamaha brochure. I wanted to compare those numbers to our bikes. This thing was really fast and well-mannered, and the transmission snicked into gear solidly - I just could not figure out a smooth clutch-less upshift. Managed one, at high rpm. The rest were very jerky with no clutch, but smooth when pulling the clutch in. I had to force myself to upshift at much lower rpm than I would on my SM, but that was true of all 5 I rode yesterday, and as we know, inherent in the v-twin design. Torque at low revs.
I still can't see bags or shields on the Raider, though. That I think would take it out of it's "element". That is also what makes ours so versatile.
Keith Houston Ridin'Texas '04 Speedmaster AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K 2020 T120 Black
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Why is Triumph not going to be at the NY show?
As stated, TRIUMPH feels it's money is better spent sponsoring Rat Raids, and bringing the demo truck to the individual dealers, where real deals can and will be made, rather than participating in the traveling show that really could cost a company a bundle in wasted brochures, printing costs, and other overhead. You know how it is - you really get the itch to buy somehting and then after going home and cooling off a bit, your chances of actually buying something diminish somewhat. You ride a nice bike at a dealership, and the price is right - if you are 1/2 way serious about buying something you will do it then. I doubt that Yamaha or Kawasaki sell a whole lot of bikes just because someone rode one at the Motorcylce Show.
Triumph sells all it can produce, so they can keep the marketing expenses in line, and take care of the dealer network without costing themselves business by not being at the SHOW.
My dealer was at the show with a booth - maybe the only Triumph booth there. He is a big VANSON Leather distributor, and sells SCHWINN scooters, too, so he had a lot of that merchandise there, albeit a very crowded little space he had. It was good to see him there, and good that he saw me, too.
Keith Houston Ridin'Texas '04 Speedmaster AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K 2020 T120 Black
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