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I went out for a ride today, bike started fine. Stopped at a convenience store, went back out and electric start won't work, nothing but a click when I press it. Push starting worked so I got it home but now I don't know what to do.
Any ideas?
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Andrew
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Thanks for the response. I read through that thread and it was very informative. Have to keep an eye on it to see how things work out for them. I'm calling the dealer tomorrow to get him to fix mine. It's still under warranty but I was hoping for a quick fix.
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I was hoping for a quick fix.
Try loosening, cleaning, tightening connection on starter?
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That's what I'm going to start with, just letting the bike cool down from getting it home first.
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Start with your battery connections.
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I'm not the most mechanically minded person in the world, which is one of the reasons this is a great site. That said, all electrical connections appear clean and tight. My issue may be somewhat different than the ones from the other thread as they all seem to be getting multiple clicks when they press the electric start button. All I get is one click when pressed, then another click when I let go. I don't know enough about it to tell, but I think it's the starter as the single clicks are definately coming from there.
Any help would be appreciated.
Andrew
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If you only get 1 click sound like a bad connection. Actuallt take the battery cables off and clean as well as the connections at the solinoid. Sometimes the cable itself works loose in the connector too. That is harder to check and usually causes exactly what you describe.
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Thanks for the help. I'm going to spend tomorrow evening rechecking all connections and cleaning everything up. Hopefully something will work.
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Oh,might want to hold the connectors when loosening the nuts on the solinoid , the baklite is easy to damage where the studs go in.
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guys I had/have the exact same issue...try this...use a wire (or a quarter) and jump the leads on the starting solinoid (under your right side cover) BE SURE YOUR BIKE IS IN NEUTRAL I think you might find it's not your starter...I have a switched jumper semi perminately wired in there currently...but when old man winter visits the dealer will be getting it
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guys I had/have the exact same issue...try this...use a wire (or a quarter) and jump the leads on the starting solinoid (under your right side cover) BE SURE YOUR BIKE IS IN NEUTRAL I think you might find it's not your starter...I have a switched jumper semi perminately wired in there currently...but when old man winter visits the dealer will be getting it
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Pardon the noob question, but what did you hold the quarter with?
Andrew
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my hand...just jumped it across the leads...it might spark a bit but no harm (or shock) to you
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my hand...just jumped it across the leads...it might spark a bit but no harm (or shock) to you
A little warning about the quarter sticking might have been nice  Scared the cr*p out of me. Bike started right up, so looks like I need a new solenoid.
Thanks to everyone for all there help. Especially RobBA.
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A little warning about the quarter sticking might have been nice
Sorry...yeah if you let it arc to much you effectivly weld it....
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so looks like I need a new solenoid.
Not so fast....you just eliminated the starter as your issue and narrowed it down to two likely candidates...
1. the relay under the tank...the one you hear clicking...it shuts off the headlamp and turns on the starter...its cheap $12.00 from the dealer...(others have found a suitable bosch relay at the auto parts store)
2. the starting solinoid, about $50.00 at the dealership
to confirm that you are getting power to the solinoid short it to the frame (use a light bulb or a voltage meter to do this) touch one lead from the light bulb(voltage meter) to the REAR contact on the solinoid, then touch the other to a clean ground...push the starter button...does the light light(meter register 12 volts) if so your solinoid is the cause...if not (and you hear the relay clicking) then its the relay under the tank....
there IS a slight chance it could be the starter switch itself...lightbulb/meter test the incomming lead on the tank relay if these other tests prove inconclusive...
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So, if I'm understanding this right, arcing the solenoid bypasses it, the relay and obviously the starter switch, so it could be any of the three.
Thanks for the help. I'm going to let the dealership figure out which one between the relay, solenoid or starter switch it is. I don't have a voltage meter (yet) and the wife doesn't want me messing with the electrics anymore as the bike is still under warranty.
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yes arcing the solenoid bypasses everything (but proves out your starter and lets you get home)
the way it works is...
you turn the key on and this powers the system...you now have 12 volts running to a varity of places (including the rear LARGE wire of the solenoid)
pushing the start button trips the relay under your tank...
this relay in turn breaks the circuit for the headlamp (turning it off) and connects the circuit for the starting solenoid...(IF all of the safety circuits are in the proper position...ie stand swich, clutch switch, neutral switch...and so on)
this sends a low amp charge to a electromagnetic switch (relay) in the starting solenoid which closes the high amp contacts sending 12vlts from the live LARGE wire to your starter and vrrroommm...
when you jump it (like when you were welding with pocket change) you just cut all the clap trap out and send current directly to the starter
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I haven't tried it but I would imagine mostly any solinoid would work.
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no reason it shouldn't provided
1. it fits
2. it uses the same amps to close the switch...
to little and you could fry it...to much and the draw on the rest of the system could fry other stuff...but they might be close...
I know a Ford soleniod is cheap enough $9-$15??? but the Triumph one at $50.00 is'nt...but I'm still under warranty and so is Andrew...but I'm just to lazy to get it to the dealer during the rideing season...therefore the bypass switch...they are aware of the issue and know it's comming in at some time...
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Do you have a picture of the switch you put in? I just called the dealer and left a message, but they are always a couple of weeks out when you need something done. I don't want to permanently weld a quarter in there and would like to see how you have the switch in there.
Andrew
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Under warrenty then definately don't mess around and go to Triumph for one!
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no pic's (and no way to get one for a few days or so) BUT it's easy...go to any auto parts store...get a starter push button (just a high amp momentary contact switch) two sections of heavy GA wire (8-10 GA) also at the part store...
I one wire to one side of the soleniod (large lead) one wire to the other, connect them to the switch...
I wrapped the new "harness" with ele tape to 'purty' it up...and help keep it neat and tucked away...the switch I got from the GA NAPA dealer has a rectangular body which I tie wraped under the tank to the box shaped back bone of the frame just behind the rear engine mount so it can be reached with the left hand by reaching under the tank...
BUT REMEMBER YOUR BIKE WILL START WHEN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON>>IN GEAR KICKSTAND DOWN...Don't ask me how I know!
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Start with your battery connections.
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Start with your battery connections.
are you saying we should start with our battery connections?
If arcing the solenoid starts it, doesn't that rule out the battery connections?
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Just thought I would update this. Got the bike back from the dealer, starting fine now. Apparently there was a short in the wiring to the high beam indicator light. Running perfectly now.
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Hmmm ,,,thats interesting did you have your lights on high beam when it happened?? I have had the same problems but since I changed the headlight relay I haven not had it happen. You would think if there was a short the fuse would have gone??? 
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