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I didnt say they look retarted just that its the only bike ive bought new and the only bike that has ever given me a problem. I dont remember telling the barstool story, go figure. 
Lounge , p . 6 " Bar conversation " # 24417 8/13/07 , scroll down halfway , great answer ! 
Saying it's on page 6 assumes that everyone uses the same preferences (very irritating ).
They don't.
It's on the top of page three for me.
Contra todo mal, mezcal; contra todo bien, también
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