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just read it. Good Summary. These long debate threads should have pictures to help keep my attention.
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Tom,
I wish I knew what your point is/points are. I could cut and paste pertinent phrases written by you but suffice it to say you are posting in circles.
Tim’s thread started as a lightly veiled call for us to get onboard the letter campaign regarding increasing the accessories aftermarket for our motorsickles. Now it has denigrated into you taking a defensive posture on who knows what.
Let’s put things back into perspective shall we? Lucky we are that an aftermarket exists at all.
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I prefer pie charts....mmmm pie. Wait! Know I've gone and degraded down to nonsensibal posts too.
So much fer soundin' schmart.
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Here ya go. I see gouging, you guys are all the same, gouging again, robber baron, dang; gouging again, not sure why Brent's the same as the dealer but he's still a faceless entity, all your bikes are cookie-cutter, they're smart; we're dumb, again with they're smart; we're dumb, and once again....... that pesky cookie-cutter!! - Obviously brent can charge whatever he wants cause the other company aint putting out a seat like his
- But you get all the triumphs in a group and you'll see the very definition of cookie cutter
- basically cause we all shop at the same 2-3 places and get gouged the same prices
- This guys knows you'll pay whatever he wants bottom line
- Hes not competing with anyone, why would he keep his profits modest?
- He was a faceless entity who wanted your money that you worked for. That guy is the same guy as brent.
- The fact is that our own bikes look the same cause we all shop from the same place.
- or course theyre smart..they got all you guys to be totally loyal in buying from them
- You can pay them, and that will make you look smarter at the end of the day
- you'll have the same exact bike as everyone that rides a triumph
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Robert Heinlein
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Apparently the rules of supply and demand are null in void.
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Too many words little brother? Read my second last paragraph of my last post. Wait this would be the last post. The post before this post...second last parag...aw....nevermind.
Hey Im here, I was on my lunch break..haha
Yes..totally, everything you said was right on the money. Dont get me wrong, I dont have a thing against small businesses. Dealing with a person on the other end of the phone instead of a "customer service representative" is definately better I'll admit. But that doesnt make them all saints either...am i right? You can get bad service from a big business just as much as small business. And they both are capable of ripping you off. Just cause they ride the same bike as you doesnt mean anything. So we can agree that its at least possible right?
Youre right though about it being worth something...i agree with that.
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Tom,
I wish I knew what your point is/points are. I could cut and paste pertinent phrases written by you but suffice it to say you are posting in circles.
Tim’s thread started as a lightly veiled call for us to get onboard the letter campaign regarding increasing the accessories aftermarket for our motorsickles. Now is had denigrated into you taking a defensive posture on who knows what.
Let’s put things back into perspective shall we? Lucky we are that an aftermarket exists at all.
ya know moe, i wasnt trying to get a whole campaign going here...i obviously dont thrive on the accessories and whatnot which I guess confuses people, cause im fighting for more accessories supposedly...haha
For the record I am "pro-more manufacturers"...and the current ones arent so much "evil robber barons" I just think the triumph consumer deserves more of a choice.
I guess that thought is totally foreign around here...ahah
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Ha Ha...My bike is basically stock with the exception of a couple of Kuryakyn doodads, a thing or two from Brent and Yamaha mirrors. The Kuryakyn stuff was not inexpensive by any means; though there are things about them that i would call cheap. JC Whitney has cheap stuff that's inexpensive and some stuff that's inexpensive but not necessarily cheap.
I have a NewSpeedmaster.com wish list; but i am a pretzle eating yoga teacher and don't have a lot of extra money to spend on the bike. That is the main reason it is still basically stock. I got it for the love of Triumph and because i knew i wouldn't want to change out every part. Does that make me a lemming?
I never met Brent or Eddy or the Kuryakyn sales rep that calls on the dealership i do business with so there is nothing personal driving my purchase choices. Quality, form and function are imperative to me.
Oh my goodness. HAHA i forgot what i was talking about.
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Too many words little brother? Read my second last paragraph of my last post. Wait this would be the last post. The post before this post...second last parag...aw....nevermind.
I was posting to Matt's reply about not knowing what the thread was about.
As for everything else I was just trying to make my point of not pigeon holing each and everyone one of the guys that make things for us.
As to getting onboard for asking manufacturers to make things for our bikes. Of course I would, I'd be crazy not to.
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Here ya go. I see gouging, you guys are all the same, gouging again, robber baron, dang; gouging again, not sure why Brent's the same as the dealer but he's still a faceless entity, all your bikes are cookie-cutter, they're smart; we're dumb, again with they're smart; we're dumb, and once again....... that pesky cookie-cutter!!
- Obviously brent can charge whatever he wants cause the other company aint putting out a seat like his
- But you get all the triumphs in a group and you'll see the very definition of cookie cutter
- basically cause we all shop at the same 2-3 places and get gouged the same prices
- This guys knows you'll pay whatever he wants bottom line
- Hes not competing with anyone, why would he keep his profits modest?
- He was a faceless entity who wanted your money that you worked for. That guy is the same guy as brent.
- The fact is that our own bikes look the same cause we all shop from the same place.
- or course theyre smart..they got all you guys to be totally loyal in buying from them
- You can pay them, and that will make you look smarter at the end of the day
- you'll have the same exact bike as everyone that rides a triumph
Alright lets blow this more out of proportion here..haha..
I dont really think these are personal attacks here but lets review them....
-Obviously brent can charge whatever he wants cause the other company aint putting out a seat like his
Is there anyone making seats like his? NO...theres no competition for him to make his cheaper right? So If someone wants his seat they'll have to pay his price right? Yes...How is that an attack?
-But you get all the triumphs in a group and you'll see the very definition of cookie cutter
Well? think about it, if there is on a small number of companies making parts for us, and we're all buying those parts, how is anyone gonna be different? We all bash harleys cause theyre the standard bike pretty much, but they have like 150 different styles of seats, pipes, tanks..etc. cause they have more manufacturers. Of course after this discussion I realized that in order for you to have 150 seats to choose from, you need sales like harley, which makes triumph an everyday bike like harley, its a catch 22..still not personal
-basically cause we all shop at the same 2-3 places and get gouged the same prices
See above, same deal..i think the word gouge is a bit harsh, maybe a little careless...i sometimes associate the word gouge with people that have to buy movie theater food because of their policies with outside food and drink...yeah they have a reason for it, but you have to admit its pretty sweet for the movie theater.
-This guys knows you'll pay whatever he wants bottom line
Okay, i was exaggerating there a little, im sure no one would pay $500 for the freak kit...or would they? I dont know cause guys are pretty into having more power to impress their friends....am i right fellas?..haha
-Hes not competing with anyone, why would he keep his profits modest?
If you were the only in the world that could make a device that transforms water into gasoline. Would you keep the price just above what it cost you...or would charge what the people are willing to pay? of course... what theyre willing to pay. Did anyone ask you what you were willing to pay for something?...no, they told you what you needed to pay...id be in the same boat as well, im not denying it, you are
-He was a faceless entity who wanted your money that you worked for. That guy is the same guy as brent.
I can see how you'd misunderstand that, at this point everyone was posting something and i was trying to keep up. What I said basically is that the owner of that car dealership is a faceless entity that wants your money. and thats why you dont care about his profits, cause hes a faceless entity...but when youre friends with the guy, like you are with brent, then you dont see him as a guy that wants your money...but in all actuallity he does want your money...he runs a business....i want your money too..ahha
-The fact is that our own bikes look the same cause we all shop from the same place.
The third time i said it? still didnt click i guess...notice how i said "we" in there...i think someone back there was trying to say i thought my bike is original, theres like 10 of them just like it...maybe thats what confuses people..im not completely black or white on a subject?...i dont know
-or course theyre smart..they got all you guys to be totally loyal in buying from them
judging my this thread....pretty loyal actually...i know if i was running a business i'd want everyone to be my friend...they wont shop anywhere else right?...Now look, when i say stuff like this im not actually accusing brent of doing this, i dont have any proof, im just not denying that its possible like you all are.
-You can pay them, and that will make you look smarter at the end of the day
Now this one was taken out of a post where i was being a bit more direct...only because the poster was being pretty direct with me...I know i cant call myself innocent, but if you read both our posts you'd see. It wasnt really aimed at the whole site or anything at least..haha
-you'll have the same exact bike as everyone that rides a triumph
Again, this goes with the same story for the others really...how will your bike be different if theres only like 3 sets of pipes out there for you?
So theres the list...you took the time to gather all those up, so i figured i owed you...lets keep it going...i still didnt see the "robber baron" remark though
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Too many words little brother? Read my second last paragraph of my last post. Wait this would be the last post. The post before this post...second last parag...aw....nevermind.
I was posting to Matt's reply about not knowing what the thread was about.
As for everything else I was just trying to make my point of not pigeon holing each and everyone one of the guys that make things for us.
As to getting onboard for asking manufacturers to make things for our bikes. Of course I would, I'd be crazy not to.
exactly...you'd be crazy not to....do you mind telling us why?
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do you mind telling us why?
Choices. But I never disputed that did I? I just disagreed with your assessment of the guys that were making things for us now. I also gave my thought as to why I thought bigger manufacturers wouldn't get into the Triumph market.
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do you mind telling us why?
Choices. But I never disputed that did I? I just disagreed with your assessment of the guys that were making things for us now. I also gave my thought as to why I thought bigger manufacturers wouldn't get into the Triumph market.
Exactly...wojo....exactly....CHOICES...thats what ive been saying from the start...except i gave unpopular reasoning for wanting other choices...haha...but no one cared about what i was saying cause it was all focused on me "attacking" a friend of the site.
All your points are spot on my man...I'll admit we might not see eye to eye exactly, but we agree on the bigger picture and thats the point of a debate.
You canadians are all right..haha
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You canadians are all right..haha
errr...thanks?
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Tom - I doubt that any of your statements had malicious intent directed personally towards myself, but you couldn't be further from the truth on the "points" you make regarding our pricing and the willingness of our customers to continue their patronage at NewBonneville. You've made it perfectly clear that you have no idea about what goes into making custom machined parts. But, understandably, that's not really any of your concern. Your main focus has been on our pricing. My family has been in the manufacturing business for over 40 years, so I know a little about what things cost. Since WE make the parts and WE sell the parts to the end user, our margins are actually much lower than your typical part being sold through a manufacturer/importer/distributor/dealer supply chain. As viscously as this poor dead horse has been beaten, the point that there are so few of these bikes out there can't be overstated. Because of this, when we make parts, they're more expensive than if there were more bikes. 100 pieces costs much more to make than 100,000 pieces. If any shop out there made the same stuff we do and marketed them the same way we do, the costs would be much the same.
I thought long and hard about even getting into this mess of a thread, but I'm quite convinced that your attitude is one that will make certain "Made In The USA" is a thing of the past.
-brent
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Yep. When there are as many Triumphs on the road as HD's we will have all kinds of goodies. They can ship our parts in by the boat loads.
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My apologies in advance to Tommy and Strick  Anyone care for a cookie?  
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look different to me fender different,side cover vs. battery relocated with open sides,apes vs long risers and drag bars, black dash vs no dash,up swept turned out pipes vs straight trumpet style, black hubs vs origonal, black fork legs vs the grey,blk headlight vs chrome,recovered stock tan seat vs custom tan seat,I could continue but you get the point. Sorry Ed but I see 2 very different bikes on a similar platform.
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Actually my point was no two cookies out of the same box are the same...I see two very different bikes as well...just as I see all of our bikes as different takes on the same icon.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Oh I misunderstood. I was PMing with Tom earlier saying the same thing. Most of our bikes are different some more than others. There are parts on Wendys bike and mine that are not on any other bike because I made them. There are parts that were made out of things that are not supposed to be on bikes too that I modified to fit as accents plus some doo dads I bought that are supposed to fit.Making the one of a kind just like many many other guys do on all makes.
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Two things I can tell you:
1- Neither one of those bikes are anywhere near stock. Nor do they have any off the shelf parts which is what I thought this thread was originally about (getting more off the shelf accessories from mainstream manufacturers). Just because they are based on the same type of idea, they are in no way cookie cutter.
2- Nobody else in the world has a bike exactly as mine and if they did, I don't care. I have done to it what I like. I hope everyone else will do what they like, even if it is similar to doing something someone else has done.
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Nobody else in the world has a bike exactly as mine and if they did, I don't care.
How true. Mine is unique enough to me and if someone copied something I had, I'd be flattered, not insulted!!
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I agree with all 3 of you Soren , Phil and Ed. I have had some of the things I did to Wendys bike copied and like Phil said I took it as a compliment. I would do something I saw if I liked it too.
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You bet it's a compliment if someone does something someone else did because they liked it. Sometimes it is also good if someone else does something you are thinking of, to see if you would like it first or not. There have been a couple thigs I did (that no one else had done) and didnt like them so I changed them back (the reason I do not like doing stuff that can't be un-done easily).
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it is also good if someone else does something you are thinking of, to see if you would like it first or not.
Talk about hitting the proverbial nail on the head.
Think about what 'our' vendors (and I am not singling anyone out because they have all been here) have done and do. They will produce an idea and bring it here asking for input and improve it according to that input. Think about it. Every one of you can come up with a thread from every one of these guys doing exactly this....
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Meanwhile, back on the farm, I'm busy stealing ideas from the Bellacorse site's custom bikes for mods to my '01 Bonneville...
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Tom - I doubt that any of your statements had malicious intent directed personally towards myself, but you couldn't be further from the truth on the "points" you make regarding our pricing and the willingness of our customers to continue their patronage at NewBonneville. You've made it perfectly clear that you have no idea about what goes into making custom machined parts. But, understandably, that's not really any of your concern. Your main focus has been on our pricing. My family has been in the manufacturing business for over 40 years, so I know a little about what things cost. Since WE make the parts and WE sell the parts to the end user, our margins are actually much lower than your typical part being sold through a manufacturer/importer/distributor/dealer supply chain. As viscously as this poor dead horse has been beaten, the point that there are so few of these bikes out there can't be overstated. Because of this, when we make parts, they're more expensive than if there were more bikes. 100 pieces costs much more to make than 100,000 pieces. If any shop out there made the same stuff we do and marketed them the same way we do, the costs would be much the same.
I thought long and hard about even getting into this mess of a thread, but I'm quite convinced that your attitude is one that will make certain "Made In The USA" is a thing of the past.
-brent
there he is....the man of the hour..haha
Let me first say, that Im glad that you see Im not trying to get personal here...we're talking about business, and Im quite sure you know waaay more than me about the matter. What you make off of your business and off of people that are in the triumph market is for you to know and all of us to assume. I honestly dont care if youre raking in the dough or scrounging for change. All Im saying, as a consumer, is that I'd like to see more guys out there to buy stuff off of. It doesnt have to be a big company like kury, it can be a guy that lives across the street from you in the USA and everything.
And when hes selling stuff for a bit cheaper, you gotta match it, or at least beat it in quality.
I appreciate you reading this thread and responding, it says alot about yourself. But I didnt expect you to come on here and say something like "yeah, Ive been ripping you all off"...thats bad for business..ahah
Answer me this though...
If you are the only one making a part, cant you charge whatever you want?...(within reason obviously)
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Answer me this though...
If you are the only one making a part, cant you charge whatever you want?...(within reason obviously)
Wow man...you just don't quit, do ya? 
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The guy I bought it off of was into all the standard customizations...so thats why im a bit puzzled.
How quickly we become experts...
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Matt...do you think he even knows what he's talking about?
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Answer me this though...
If you are the only one making a part, cant you charge whatever you want?...(within reason obviously)
Wow man...you just don't quit, do ya?
What was there to quit? I was finally hearing back from the guy.
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experts rarely do. If he knew what he was talking about he wouldent try to fight his point through, he would just make it and say take it or leave it.
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yeah...the guys who "know everything" are usually the ones talk out their butts till by some bit of luck, they can string a mainly illogical argument together
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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I remember this from one of your very first posts...
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The guy I bought it off of was into all the standard customizations...so thats why im a bit puzzled.
How quickly we become experts...
Experts in what?
My question to him was about business, something we're discussing....it had nothing to do about problems i had with my bike.
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Re: A letter to CruiserCustomizing.com
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Joined: Feb 2006
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Loquacious
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then at least produce a slight degree of knowledge in the topic before you bash everybody in sight...and up until and including now...you show absolutely none in the topic
Mark
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Re: A letter to CruiserCustomizing.com
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Wow man...you just don't quit, do ya?
What was there to quit? I was finally hearing back from the guy.
That's not it. It's your attitude. Asshat is the term, I believe.
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