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Thailand aims to become export hub for large cycles MILAN, July 30 (TNA) -- After clinching a deal in which Triumph Motorcycles decided to invest another Bt3.5 billion in Thailand, the kingdom now aims to become a production and export hub for large-sized motorcycles, said Kosit Panpiemras, deputy prime minister and industry minister. Mr. Kosit has just concluded five-day visits to Britain and Italy, which began July 25. In Britain he met Triumph Motorcyles president John Bloor, who agreed to invest an additional Bt3.5 billion in 2008 in Thailand operations for manufacturing parts for large-sized motorcycles. At present, the company has a plant in Thailand's eastern seaboard province of Rayong. With the additional investment, the company plans to assemble about 50,000 large-sized motorcycles annually. Mr. Kosit said he had ordered Satit Chanjavanakul, secretary general of the state-run Board of Investment, to map out plans on promoting investment for large-sized motorcycles with the engine capacity from 500 cc upwards which have a global demand of over 100,000 units annually. Besides Triumph Motorcycles, two or three major large-sized motorcycle producers may also invest in Thailand, Mr. Kosit said, adding that he expected the investment promotional plan would be completed soon. Mr. Kosit said he had also held talks with Giorgio Garimberti, operations chief of VM Mortori, Italy's major diesel engine manufacturer, who said that his company was keen to set up a factory in Thailand in 2008, with production starting in the following year. The investment by VM Mortori is around Bt450-900 million. (TNA)-E111 Last Update : 2007-07-30 / 13:39:30 (GMT+7:00) http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=30777Enjoy: http://www.triumph.co.uk/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_motorcyclesAlso enjoy Triumph's longer-established namesake in the local manufacturing sector: http://www.triumph.com/
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large-sized motorcycles with the engine capacity from 500 cc upwards
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Just another examle of corporation greed, and a country losing another Iconic name and jobs to a cheaper job market.
We've lost all of ours in the last 20 yrs in Australia - it's a bloody scandal.
Globalisation- it stinks
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Are the America models currently being produced in Thailand, if so then how and can the America models be distinguished between the ones that are built at Hinkley and the asian ones, is there any indication in the VIN labels etc,
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the 11th character designates origin here in the states. A "j" designates Hinkley while a "t" designates Thai.
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You do know the exchange rate is 70:1 Baht to Pound. His investment in Thailand is 1,000 Pounds per bike in Thailand expenses for the upcoming 50,000 units he will produce.
They can use the word invest for all expenses including ongoing in the existing factory. 50 million Pounds is really not that much money to be out when selling 50,000 bikes from Thailand.
He would probably spend 65 mil in England because the workers in GB get paid more than starvation wages.
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How is this an example of corporate greed? The expansion of manufacturing, growth and development of markets, and expanding the profits and product line all seem like good business. HD disassembles bikes and then reassembles in Asia to beat the laws, is that also greed, or simply smart business?
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Makes you wonder, when you look back to the 70's and 80's and Triumph would not invest money to compete with the jap bikes. I think Bloor is investing wisely and is determined to keep the name Triumph going with the very latest technology. Which can only be a good thing, can't it!!! 
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Global business is only good with equal tariff levels. The developed nations pay huge tariffs for exports and the developing nations pay little to no tariff to import to the developed nations. It used to be that if it was good for business it was good for the country. That is no longer the case. If it is good for business it is good for profit is the case now. Bloor gets to make more money is the only result. He exported to Thailand, put in not one more bit of new technology, and our bikes M.S.R.P. went up. hmmmmm. Look at some of these Triumph sales on the board. The value of a Triumph like all other bikes drops like a brick once you buy it. $20,000 Harleys sell for 13k after 5 years $9,000 Triumphs sell for 4. The depreciation curve is higher on our bikes just less dollars involved. Oh, no! I got back into a Thailand thread  
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How is this an example of corporate greed? The expansion of manufacturing, growth and development of markets, and expanding the profits and product line all seem like good business.
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Makes you wonder, when you look back to the 70's and 80's and Triumph would not invest money to compete with the jap bikes. I think Bloor is investing wisely and is determined to keep the name Triumph going with the very latest technology.
I have to completely agree with bot Todd and Ray. It is very smart. Mr. Bloor is doing what it takes to expand, improve and stay competitive to ultimatley become the biggest and best motorcycle company in the world.
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Ron, it drives me crazy when people talk about the workers in other countries working for "slave wages" or "starvation wages" when the reality is completely the opposite. Yes, $2 an hour would seem to you like it, however in their econonomy it could be more $30 and hour. It is all relative to the local economies. You have to do the ratio math. It is not as extreme, but depending where you live in the U.S. we have the same thing. A house that sells for $150,000 in one place may sell for $500,000 elsewhere and the local wages also refect that.
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How is this an example of corporate greed? The expansion of manufacturing, growth and development of markets, and expanding the profits and product line all seem like good business.
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Makes you wonder, when you look back to the 70's and 80's and Triumph would not invest money to compete with the jap bikes. I think Bloor is investing wisely and is determined to keep the name Triumph going with the very latest technology.
I have to completely agree with bot Todd and Ray. It is very smart. Mr. Bloor is doing what it takes to expand, improve and stay competitive to ultimatley become the biggest and best motorcycle company in the world.
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It may indeed be smart but is it wise?
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HD disassembles bikes and then reassembles in Asia to beat the laws, is that also greed, or simply smart business?
That's more like shipping fruit juice concentrate to save the cost of shipping water. It saves on the shipping costs by making the crates smaller.
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"...Bloor gets to make more money...", isnt that what owning business is supposed to be about, making money? Do you think anyone would invest money and create/build anything if there wasnt profit involved? Would Triumph even be a present day manufacturer of motorcycles if it wasnt profitable? Wake up.
As for pricing, I thought the prices came down a bit, and the new Street Triple is not at the high, nor middle of the price range, but LOW end, so isnt that a good thing? I suppose that it would be a bad, bad thing if the much desired 1600 to 1800cc cruiser casts more that the Speedmaster or America? Imagine that, paying more to get more.
As for factory wages, could it be that workers are way overpaid for the work they do? Unskilled labour is exactly that, UNSKILLED. No time was invested by the individual to grow their skill set, to educate themselves to better do a job, they are unskilled and should be paid accordingly. To be paid more, bring more to the table.
As for depreciation of the bikes, how is it different from a car? Demand drives the market, so help grow the market demand, and the value will grow. It isnt the manufacturer's fault ( entirely ) for the value of a used bike ( they can perhaps advertise more, build the product line more, but that is for new bikes that they do it, thus they would be in competition with a used bike for a sale. But as long as they build a quality product, the value will be good ), but how does a Thai assembled bike lower values? Are you regretting your purchase? Would you rather have a Harley? Do you consider Harleys better made because of the American worker?
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How does Honda make bikes in America and make money? Defies logic using the 3rd world labor as a must model. General Motors is big in Mexico now with 40 huge plants. Oh, Toyota is the biggest American car company now making them in America. Magic, just magic. They are in defiance of what the greedy say is needed to succeed. How is that? Quote:
I have to completely agree with bot Todd and Ray. It is very smart. Mr. Bloor is doing what it takes to expand, improve and stay competitive to ultimatley become the biggest and best motorcycle company in the world.
Soren, I am sorry, I didn't know the poorest Thai citizen has electricity, air conditioning, a car, high speed internet and color, cable TV. Our poor have all that and don't have to work in a factory at all, nor do they have to sell off their daughters to the sex industry for food and a bit of money.
Actually only the richest Thai citizens have the above. That would be the top 10%. The middle consider themselves blessed to have electricity and to eat regular and the very poor either die, steal or go to the sex industry.
It is not relative. Most on this board would rather cut their wrists than live as Thai factory workers. It is exploitation at its best. Its legal, we all consume from it, Thailand, China, India etc.
I don't have to like it, and I will never condone it. I surely won't celebrate it. I always will argue against it. I am very happy to make you crazy on this particular issue. 
To stay on topic, Bloor is not investing in Thailand! He is saving on his bottom line making more money per unit by decreasing labor cost and not having to pay workers compensation, sick time etc.
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Right you are Ron.
It's simply the modern version of slavery.
But instead of bringing the slaves to the work, they take the work to the slaves.
And just as always, it's driven by greed.
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Slaves dont have a choice of where to work, sleep, and all, they have people who have title to them, can you prove that as the case in Thailand?
Ever check to see if labour in Japan, with the associated costs of benefits and all in Japan is more than it is here? Or could it be cheaper to assemble and partially source here and gain tax and tariff benefits versus a car produced in Japan. They certainly are producing vehicles here cause it costs more and they like to throw their money away. Maybe the Japanese, German, and Korean capitalists that are assembling vehicles here should chastised for "enslaving" American workers?
Capitalism is all about making money, growth through the market makes the whole of society richer. Have you ever noticed how well off the poor are here versus the poor of the rest of the world? Ever noticed how upward mobility is available here unlike anywhere else in the world? Perhaps you guys would prefer to have the "justice" that socialism provides, to make all equal, all are poor. The greedy people cant take advantage of any means to make money, have no reason to develop a better product ( or any product ), and everyone benefits from the lack of risk.
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Slavery takes different forms.
I don't expect you to be able to grasp abstract concepts though.
So, I'll try to simplify it.
If, in fact, someone was bringing jobs to a depressed economy in order to try to alleviate the plight of the poorest while at the same time making a profit, that would be a noble thing.
What happens though is that the jobs are taken to the depressed economies for the sole purpose of maximizing profit while using the oppressed state of those areas to effectively indenture the people working in the factories.
In the U.S. we have labor laws to protect workers from the robber baron types that were prevalent in the early 20th century and prior. The U.K., and the rest of the industrial world have similar laws.
And businesses operating in these countries make a tidy profit
By building in countries that have no protection for the workers, they are essentially using slave labor.
And the fact that they can make a tidy profit while providing the workers a living wage and benefits, which they don't do in depressed countries, leaves only greed as their motivation.
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The only products of slavery we buy are made in the workers paradise of China. I don’t know the specifics of Triumph production in Thailand, but if it follows the typical pattern of a first world company setting up a fairly high tech facility in a third world country, the employees there are better paid than the national average. Industrial slavery pretty much died out with the death of Communism. If Thailand goes the way of many of it’s neighbors the industrialization taking place there will, in a generation or so, lead to vastly increased standards of living and economic freedom for the Thais. Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, India and a host of other countries are already at various stages on the path to modernization and increasing inclusion in the world economy. Fifty years ago they were all basket cases. Now many of them are major economic players and the rest are well on the way to becoming so. Capitalism is the engine of both national wealth and individual opportunity. Certainly Thailand is currently far from being a beacon of political freedom but the same was true of the entire Asian continent not that many years ago. John Bloor is getting richer by using the labor of the Thais, but they too are getting richer using the opportunities his investments make possible. To deny them those opportunities is to sentence many of them to subsistence farming and peonage. Is working in the Triumph plant the next thing to heaven? Probably not, but I’ll bet the employees there don’t have to sell their children as sex slaves to prevent them from starving.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I agree that it is wise investment and it helps to keep the Triumph flag flying high. It is quite incredible that we even get HD owners looking and admiring our BA's at the Tuesday Dream Machine gathering at Poole Quay (UK). Nearly 7000 bikes last week. When everyone went home at about 10pm the noise was deafening but the site spectacular
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Nobody has answered my question yet. Why is Toyota the biggest car company in America with thriving American plants using American workers? Why is Honda making as many cheap motorcycles as Harley in America with American workers? Somehow cheap labor doesn't apply there. Why is that? Why has Great Britain setup Mr. Bloor so he cannot expand in that country? I submit to you that they have not blocked anything. Its about bottom line profit. I wonder what parts on my bike were really made in England now. I bet I have as many Japanese parts as a Honda 
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I don't expect you to be able to grasp abstract concepts though.
So, I'll try to simplify it.
Easy there, big fella.
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"Big"Bill, your attempt to discuss a topic simply fails when try to insult your way to a point.
You repeat over and over how its all about greed, but you have offered nothing to substantiate your claim. You make a bunch of assumptions about intent that are nothing more than Liberal/Left political parroting. You offer up the robber baron tag line, and how govt had to protect the little guy, but you are completely ignorant to how, during that time, the standard of living accelerated at a phenominal pace during the industrial age, thus a much better life for all, from bottom to top. Even now, govt is a much bigger inhibitor of advancement than a helper or protector. High taxes, crazy laws that create high production costs, requirements for insurance and all are big throw ons that give companies a reason to look elsewhere and justifiably so. Government creates nothing in the market but chaos and is a drain. It is those who risk who create and make it better, for they see the opportunity and take the chance, and we also reap the benefits.
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Convenient historical perspectives only shade both sides of the truth, to wit a rebuttal:
"The end of the "Robber Baron" age is also known as the Progressive Era lasting from 1895 until World War I. This was a period of unrest and reform. Monopolies continued in spite of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. Social problems flourished in the U.S. During the 1910s labor unions continued to grow as the middle classes became more and more unhappy. Unsafe working conditions were underscored by the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in which 145 female workers were killed. Children were hired to work in factories, milles, and mines for long hours in unsafe and unhealthy conditions. Though efforts to pass a federal law proved unsuccessful, by the middle of this decade every state had passed a minimum age law. A commission found that up to 20% of the children living in cities were undernourished, education took second place to hunger and while children worked, only one-third enrolled in elementary school and less than 10% graduated from high school."
An yet it was likely better than grubbing dandelion roots from the back of a Conestoga wagon.
Standard of living is in the eye of the beholder. Regulation can be a good and bad thing depending upon application. Government is better than anarchy. Compromise is the key to success but as long as terms like Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative are use perjoratively we make no progress, only noise.
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Personally I don’t think of profit as a dirty word. Most people I know both work for money and expect a positive return on their investments. My 401k has money invested all over the place, as do the mutual funds in my IRA. My union carpenter brothers retirement fund does too. I don’t plan to invest any money in companies that are not going to give me a good return on my investment. Similarly, I wouldn’t work for a company that didn’t pay me. I guess that qualifies me as greedy. If so then so be it. My guess is that very few people on this site work for nothing, invest with no expectation of profit or demand lower returns on the investments of their pension funds. John Bloor is no greedier than a union member striking for higher pay and benefits, he’s just working with bigger numbers.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Anyone know the name, Gordon Gekko? Major universities around the world, including Penn State, where I attended, use his speech as a prime example of the modern business model.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.
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Yes, the intense desire for something actually works; Mark is quite correct.
It's a shame that many mistake avarice as a definiton of greed when greed is only a component of avarice. Avarice is what's being debated regarding Mr. Bloor's investment in Thailand, not greed.
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You are right oldroadie. Quote:
Anyone know the name, Gordon Gekko?
The guy who did felonies to make more money. Yeah I remember that movie. He is your hero I assume.
Again: How does Honda make bikes in America with Harley, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Polaris and make money? How is Toyota the biggest American auto manufacturer?
Reading above it is impossible for them to succeed using high cost US labor and high cost US rules and safety standards along with the UNIONS!. Heaven forbid any manufacturing ever stay in the nation it started with.
Even Mr. Bloor would rather the truth not be out. From his own website:
"ABOUT TRIUMPH
Born, bred and proud to be British.
With over 100 years of history behind us, Triumph is a privately-owned British company. Our motorcycles are designed, developed and built at our factory, one of the most technologically advanced plants in the world, which is located in Hinckley, in the heart of Great Britain."
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Even Mr. Bloor would rather the truth not be out. From his own website:
"ABOUT TRIUMPH
Born, bred and proud to be British.
With over 100 years of history behind us, Triumph is a privately-owned British company. Our motorcycles are designed, developed and built at our factory, one of the most technologically advanced plants in the world, which is located in Hinckley, in the heart of Great Britain."
Ford and GM have a large presence in Europe. Good thing or bad?
Japanese and European car companies have a large presence here. Good thing or bad?
Capital, like labor, goes where is can be the most rewarded. Good thing or bad?
If a company prices itself out of the market do we owe it some special allegience? Are we required to buy it's products even if we can buy better/cheaper elsewhere?
How about labor?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Ford and GM have a large presence in Europe. Good thing or bad?
Good, very good, without their European and Asian sales they'd be bankrupt.
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Japanese and European car companies have a large presence here. Good thing or bad?
Good, very good , they're still employing American auto workers.
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Capital, like labor, goes where is can be the most rewarded. Good thing or bad?
Good when it's not to the exclusion of common sense.
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If a company prices itself out of the market do we owe it some special allegience? Are we required to buy it's products even if we can buy better/cheaper elsewhere? How about labor?
I defer to the 4000 neighbors of mine that have lost their jobs to CAFTA. The Wal-Mart-ization of our economy will have long lasting effects that we've not begun to feel yet. Profit is good, avaricious profit is bad. There's a big difference.
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Funny how Wal-Mart has enabled the lower income groups to purchase many goods they otherwise wouldnt be able to afford, plus they can maximize their dollars on regular items to afford other goods. Yup, Wal-Mart is evil.
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Today it seems that all big businesses are bad and we should take money away from them and help the small business owners, right? So where did a lot of those big businesses come from?
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Our gov't makes it very hard to run a small business and make money as do the ins. requirements and companies. We run 2 businesses here and it gets harder all the time. I have been hearing they want to raise the cap. gains again same with inheritance tax. Thats crazy they already get way too much they haven't earned.
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Oldroadie is right on again! As nobody cares to explain how my listed manufacturers are doing well in America but Mr. Bloor needs Thailand, how bout my other question. Why would Mr. Bloor have that as his home website intro? Built in the heart of Great Britain. I think that gets me most. I don't really care. I think the guys that bought 07s and some of the newer 06 models bought the best looking bikes in the world with a badge that humbles all bikes to some degree. I think he made a mistake that time will tell. I think he should have made them in the US if England wouldn't let him do it. We could have produced every unit made for America and Canada right here. We have proven to all the other bike manufacturers that we know how to build. We also have the good labor available as the big 3 auto makers are now owned by Mexican lobbyist and our plants are there. Tell the folks in Detroit how well global markets work
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All right. Looks like we've chosen sides and agreed to disagree. Now can we get back to talking about motorcycles?
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Quote:
"Big"Bill, your attempt to discuss a topic simply fails when try to insult your way to a point.
Henery"Hawk".
I wasn't trying to discuss. I was responding sarcastically to a rambling diatribe.
Sheesh!
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I think it would have been really cool if they were produced here instead of that other place I don't care to even think about my beloved Triumph being made. I'm sure there is a reason he didn't do that but as far as I know he is the only one who could give you that reason.I don't have to like it but they have to be made somewhere.
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Larry, I don't know the specifics of the Triumph/Thailand thing either.
If it does indeed raise the standard of living, then yes, it's a good thing.
Oldroadie suppled the history lesson, so I don't need to reiterate what he said regarding the industrial revolution.
Indeed there are true cases of classic slavery in Communist China and a few other places, but my point was that when people are trapped by a system that keeps them indentured to a company, such as the maquiladoras in Mexico, it's also a form of slavery. Again, I don't know if this is the case in Thailand.
Of course profit is good. And capitalism works, to a point. It was radical capitalism that enslaved many people in this country, and led, albeit indirectly, to one of the most horrible wars ever. Certainly for our country.
Just as many people thought that Messrs Marx and Engels were on to something (especially compared to what their lives were like), they left out the human factor of corruption.
Capitalism has similar pitfalls (history lesson referenced above) that must also be guarded against.
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