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I am hearing some rumors that Triumph is developing a mid-sized cruiser for next year. There, that is about all I know. Does anybody know anymore details?
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I think they already have a mid-size cruiser. Actually 2. Now they are making a large cruiser to slot between the midsize and the gargantuan.
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Looks like I should have done a search before posting. I can't believe I didn't hear about it until now, sorry for posting yet another thread.
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I ask you folks...Is there anybody in all the world who can "play dumb" any better than the yute here???  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Andrew, no harm done.
If you're riding a Speedy or America you've already got the best mid-sized cruiser out there.
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I ask you folks...Is there anybody in all the world who can "play dumb" any better than the yute here???
He was playing?
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Benefit of the doubt, FJ. 
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I ask you folks...Is there anybody in all the world who can "play dumb" any better than the yute here???
I forgot how to read till just a short while ago...
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Actually our bikes would classify as "small cruisers" ......
The Rocket is of course "GARGANTUAN"
the competition for cruiser sales from all the rest Jap or otherwise entails significantly more CC.
Example given Honda.....1300 and 1800. Honda does make smaller cruisers but I think the 1300 and 1800 are big sellers for them The Yamahammers and Suzukis all run in that class more or less.
The Kawasaki vulcan 900 is the one that is closest to ours in size and its considered small by most.
Victory and Harley all contend for those who must buy American and want the traditional big V-twin.
A Trumpet at 1500 CC will be a unique bit especially as a true to form looking parallel Twin.
1500 CC will fill the mid range from small (America , Speedie to the ugly yet fast Rocket.) There are those who just must have more than 865 CC.
I think most of us on this forum thirst for more.
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Couldn't disagree more.
Small 250-650
medium 800-1300
Large 1500-1800
any thing 2000 or above to freaking big
I have never considered 1500 a mid size bike. A Mid size should give you some power but not at the expence of maneuverability. Large bikes still are just big, sluggish, not as nearly maneuverable, and more expensive. If thats your bag fine but I'll stick with my 790 (or in the future 865) "Mid size" bike.
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Perhaps. but the driving force in scooters is what the consumer wants and I do think most want to buy in the 1300 to 2K rsnge.
I agree our bikes are fine for most usage including one up touring if outfitted correctly. But as a two up all around bike ours are a bit on the underpowered side.
After all we all get nice compliments on our America's and Speedies especially from owners of the big V-Twins. "That sure is a pretty LITTLE thing " is one comment I get from owners of the Harleys, Victory and the larger Jap V-twins.
I have gotten comments from some of them that say " I would buy one of those but I want more juice"
I admit to wanting to have that "extra" juice.
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I admit to wanting to have that "extra" juice.
Juice is good, I like the sauce. You can never have to much of that.
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But as a two up all around bike ours are a bit on the underpowered side.
I know many people who would disagree with that assessment.
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Never had any problem hauling Wendy around with me still had plenty of power and that was over 400 lbs of people.
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Hey Phil,
You are so correct, the 790/865 does very well in the Cruiser class. In fact most who ride cannot get the full potential out of the 790. Most can not ride them as fast as they will handle the twistys anyway...I for one see no reason to have more cc's...except maybe braggin' rights. Of course I'm pushing 72 real soon and "worn out" anyway.
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yeah what do you know Larry! Its not like you have been riding for your whole life or something... 
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As a new Speedy owner and a two year owner of a Honda VTX 1300 R, I can hardly wait to trade my VTX in on the new cruiser when it comes out but I'll never get rid of the Speedy. It's faster than my VTX and a heck of a lot more fun to ride. Oh, and it puts a smile on my face just looking at it.
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If you think big cruisers don't handle well, tell that to the feller on youtube that rides his Goldwing on the Dragon. The guy on the crotch rocket behind him was straining HARD to keep up. Look it up, it's pretty amazing and you may just change your mind!
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When did I say they didnt handle well?
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But as a two up all around bike ours are a bit on the underpowered side.
I know many people who would disagree with that assessment.
Granted they will DO the job. Would a 1500 CC Triumph not do it even better with say a total of 450 pounds rider and luggage?
I think so.
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With that logic, wouldn't a 3000cc bike do it even better?  It's a moot point though. There's always people who are not satisfied and will upgrade. I say, go for it! I'll stick with my underpowered, inadequate BA and keep grinning!
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Couldn't disagree more.
Small 250-650
medium 800-1300
Large 1500-1800
any thing 2000 or above to freaking big
I have never considered 1500 a mid size bike. A Mid size should give you some power but not at the expence of maneuverability. Large bikes still are just big, sluggish, not as nearly maneuverable, and more expensive. If thats your bag fine but I'll stick with my 790 (or in the future 865) "Mid size" bike.
So what's my 125 Cruiser...?
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Couldn't agree more Khatt
It seems as time marches on engine capacities get larger, and the bar is raised. to consider 1500cc as a "Mid Sized"
anything 20 - 30 years ago would be ludicrous.
And yet with all the modern day technology and increased engine capacities (double in most cases) we still are doing the same things at round bout the same speed, albiet a little smoother and more reliabily overall.
Today I would consider a mid sized engine capacity to be around 750cc and the R3 engine capacity as gross - a bit like the Munch Monster back in the 70's and definitly not the yardstick for the average larger capacity production motorcycle.
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With that logic, wouldn't a 3000cc bike do it even better?
It's a moot point though. There's always people who are not satisfied and will upgrade. I say, go for it! I'll stick with my underpowered, inadequate BA and keep grinning!
Well...3000 CC might be a bit of overkill. But for the purpose of fully comfortable two up cruising ....keeping up with the traffic on the slab ..steady 75 to eighty miles an hour or more for days on end. ....
Using two Trumpets as an analogy......A Rocket 3 can easily run with a two up 450 pound load and run at an honest 85 miles an hour and not as much as think about breathing hard.
Now...will ours? They will pack that added weight and they will run at 80 miles an hour but the comfort and stability of the much higher horsed bike and its inherent added weight is just going to do a better job stability wise. That added displacement makes a big difference.
Its like the difference between a sedan with a four banger and a sedan with a big V-6. Both will pack the weight but the V-6 will be a more comfortable over the road vehicle in the long haul.
Kevin has that new Victory of his. He still loves his Speedie...but I bet when it comes to riding with his wife and some luggage over the road he opts for the Victory more often than not I bet.
Thats my .02 cents.
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If you think big cruisers don't handle well, tell that to the feller on youtube that rides his Goldwing on the Dragon. The guy on the crotch rocket behind him was straining HARD to keep up. Look it up, it's pretty amazing and you may just change your mind!
A Wing's not a cruiser.
It's a touring bike.
Totally different frame geometry, rake, trail, etc.
That vid is still impressive though.
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Well, as rare an occurrence as this is, I'm in agreement with Kevin on this.
Our bikes are great for what they are.
And what they are is a small cruiser-by todays standards.
Ten years ago they would be midsize.
They're not the perfect all around bike (I don't think that exists).
Granted you can do a lot with them, but for long distance touring there are better bikes. For lots of two up riding, there are better bikes.
I hope Triumph does make one for the gap. I'd probably consider it.
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Kevin has that new Victory of his. He still loves his Speedie...but I bet when it comes to riding with his wife and some luggage over the road he opts for the Victory more often than not I bet.
Thats my .02 cents.
Thanks Kev. Very true.
Here's the thing: the Victory does everything better than the Speedmaster. There's no substitute for massive low-end torque that comes with a big cc cruiser. You twist the throttle and you GO! And even though it weighs about 135 lbs more than the Speedy, it handles better, even at low speed turns.
That being said, the Speedy is still fun to ride, especially solo in the 35-60 mph range, with a nice smooth engine. You can only hope Triumph nails it with the big cc cruiser and basically makes a Speedy on steroids.
Also, having ridden the Rocket, I found it to be a hippopotamus on wheels. A completely unpleasant experience unless all you want to do is go very fast in a straight line or be able to say "I have the largest production motorcycle in the world."
Just my 2 cents. 
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Well as far as my Speedy goes I am always two up and on trips loaded for two with our luggage. Now I am able to keep it at a constant 165 kilometer/hour = 102. mile/hour (mph) with no real effort. The wind buffering does become an issue but that is just the way it is riding a naked bike. Now I could sure do with a bit more torque that is for sure. Not that the Speedy is inadequate but when I roll on that throttle at a high speed I would enjoy more of a pull.
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The two biggest things I am wondering about is what will it look like and what will it be called. Other than that, more than likely, I will never give up my Speedy.
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Of course I'm pushing 72 real soon and "worn out" anyway.
Your not worn out Larry, just "experienced". Plus you do a mean smoked Turkey.
790 cc's is fine with me. Plus all my cc's are paid for. 
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Will this just finally come out so we can stop these darn threads please!@
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Also, having ridden the Rocket, I found it to be a hippopotamus on wheels.
There is a Photo on the wall Of Machines In Motion in GA that anyone who went to the 07 GA Rally saw...of one of their employees (who looked to be all of 12 years old) absolutly-positivly SCORCHING the Dragon on a RIII this kid was dam near draging his HELMET on this thing...
I would have to say that that he would disagree with your assesment
I can not say either way having not ridden one
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I have been on the Rocket III and it will flat out fly and corner with the best of them. I went through one turn at 90 mph in 3rd and had about a 35 degree lean and it was almost effortless. When I came out of that turn and realized how fast I was going (when in the turn I though maybe 50 mph) I thought about pulling over and shutting it down. It was a blast to ride, but I was happy to get back on my very sedate America.
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There is a place for larger cruisers. The population in generation is heavier than they were 15 years ago and when they tour with all of their luggage, they can use the extra power and smoothness.
But there is also a need for the 750-1000 bikes. They are more nimble and much easier to handle. The motorcycle industry makes what sells and we vote with our dollars.
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I saw that photo too Rob. That guy was RIDING it!
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Of course I'm pushing 72 real soon and "worn out" anyway.
Larry, you one funny guy!
I seem to remember you whipping most people through the twisties on 60!!
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There is a place for larger cruisers. The population in generation is heavier than they were 15 years ago.....
Ya see! I keep telling you people that all americans needs to do in order slim down is eat a salad now and then, AND return to that time-honored(but evidently today, non-PC) tradition of SMOKING!!!
This will help slim down the populace in no time at all!!!(and that last part helps thin-the-herd TOO)
Now...regarding the RocketIII: I've ridden it! For it's gargantuan size, it feels 200lb lighter than it is.(it's a Triumph, remember?! They've ALWAYS been one of the best handling bikes out there)
I just could never get past some of it's asymetrical design cues, such as it's exhausts and that gas tank.
(oh...and BTW...our bikes ARE "mid-size" crusiers.....heck, I'm old enough to remember the days when a T120 Bonnie was considered a "big bike"!....of course, THAT was back in the day when only 10 percent of americans were considered obese!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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