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I will fill in for Phil here.
Good job on getting in the paper.
Lets not turn this political.



Uh.... it is political... But so far well said and nice, etc.

To plat devils advocate here, define victory. It is hard for some to listen to the "not till we win" argument when nobody seems to be able to define "win" with any detail. "complete and total victory" may be an end goal, but a vague description at best.

Benny Black & Silver '02 Too many mods to list Not enough miles ridden