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Wow. I thought I knew what poor was but was I wrong. Check out these stats from an article from The Heritage Foundation:
- Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
- Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
- Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
- The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
- Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
- Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
- Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
- Seventy-three percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.
I guess if you are going to be poor, the good ole USA is the place to do it! 
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Every American and especially spoiled kids need to go to some of the places we have done work in , Honduras , Guatemala , Nicaragua , Guyana , Ukraine , it goes on . We have NO clue what poor is . 
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Every American and especially spoiled kids need to go to some of the places we have done work in , Honduras , Guatemala , Nicaragua , Guyana , Ukraine , it goes on . We have NO clue what poor is .
Africa, they need to go to Africa, the very definition of poverty is found there.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Id like to be poor. I dont own a house and I dont have AC. 
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Id like to be poor. I dont own a house and I dont have AC.
 somebody may actually think you are poor  I am thinking maybe we need to take up a collection for the guy with the new 
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I agree that poor is a relative term. Compared to Bill Gates most of us here are poor. The "poor" in America are wealthy compared to those in third world countries. I think if you have a healthy family and spouse that loves you, you are rich. But that's not saying that single folks (myself included) aren't rich in other ways. I think americans put too much emphasis on monitary wealth.  I'm rich becuase I have a Triumph 
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I'll agree with Africa, I've been there, I've seen the whole cities of little shacks that are made of old wood and tin. It was truly an eye opening expierence.
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Not to the extent in africa but closer to home, look south to the hovels in some areas in mexico...there is an example of a political system that truly holds its people down...the only true hinderance here is self motivation !
yes, most of our poor are rich compared to the world !
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It's stats like that which show just how rich a nation the US really is (and to a slightly lesser degree other developped nations) - where poverty means only having two cars in the house. It's when you wonder where & how you can get a cup of rice sometime this week, or some water that's only mildly dirty that you're TRULY poor.
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I'd like to see their definition of poor. Who came up with the definition? "I hearby decree that 'poor' means you make less than 50K a year". OK done, I'm poor. That simple  That being said, what most of that list means is that most americans are living far above their means. Credit cards, mortgages, etc, all provide those things, but also the debt that probably goes into the "poor" calculation.
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Just read the linked article...interesting read. It brings a couple of questions to my mind.
I wonder what effect the lending/credit industry has on some of the numbers in the stats. By that, I mean how many families out there have material possessions (a car, a house, a/c in their house, a color tv...) but are so far in debt that they will never come close to paying off any of those items that they have "purchased?" Do we make it too easy for people to buy things they really can't afford? and at the same time get into deep financial trouble? Is owning a car/tv/whatever even a useful indicator of wealth??
The problem I have with this article is that IMO it seems like its purpose is to downplay and minimize poverty in America. It almost sounds like the author wants to present poor people in this country as priviledged and spoiled. Sure, poor people in America live better lives than poor people in most other countries. But, each and every one of us (living in America) can go just a few miles and find a place close to our own home where we see people living in really bad conditions...At the same time, we'd probably also find a place in which we are very thankful that we don't live. Again, IMO, that's where you define poverty...not in misleading statistics or in the pages of a magazine/journal.
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Sounds like you and I are on the same page Will!
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..or as comedian Mort Sahl(I think it was) noted many many years ago..."America is the only place in the world where The Poor can have a parking problem."
Gee! Anybody ever notice that the birthrates in the so-called "First World" are a just "a little" lower than those in the less advantaged parts of the world???
(Hmmmm...I just wonder if THAT might have "a little" to do with this, huh?!...I mean, you can't even afford to feed yourself and yet your "cultural tradition" tells you to procreate????!!!!....What's up with THAT?!....there's no hope, people!...The way I figure it, you gotta laugh at how the human race is, or you'd go crazy!!!)
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The thing that I find odd is the strange rules of the government assistance program. If someone works hard all their life and retires after paying off their house and car, then has some unexpected financial problem such as a major medical catastrophe, and they dare go ask for some temporary help, the government agencies won't even talk to them unless they sell all, making them dependent on assistance for life instead of just a short time.
BUT if someone has nothing because they can't be bothered to work, the same agency will give them a car and a home.
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Good points. I found online somewhere that there is a petition going around to change the way temporary disability is handled. Doesn't apply to retirees where I read it, but for people with medical problems (like MS) that can temporarily keep them away from work, but the person is willing to work when they can. I'll post a link if I can find it.
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Benny, if you're making less than 50k a year and living on LI, then I believe that makes you destitute, not simply poor. I think the UNHCR will probably be sending Angelina Jolie to your house sometime soon to help you...
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Eeah! Benny's much too old for Angelina to adopt, Greg!
And beside, knowing Benny as we do, I'd give it two months tops before he'd go all "Oedipus" on her and be up on charges for the murder of Brad Pitt!!!
(then again, I'm guessin' most any dude put into that kind o' situation would do the same thing, huh?!......."Mommy, I don't like Daddy!")
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I drove thru the intersection in Greece where Oedipus killed his father... Actually I make a little more than 50 luckily... And I have a company car which is the only thing that keeps me afloat!! But yeah, it's a weird scene down here for sure. But if it gets Angie down here then yeah, I only make 35...
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Gee! Anybody ever notice that the birthrates in the so-called "First World" are a just "a little" lower than those in the less advantaged parts of the world???
(Hmmmm...I just wonder if THAT might have "a little" to do with this, huh?!...I mean, you can't even afford to feed yourself and yet your "cultural tradition" tells you to procreate????!!!!....What's up with THAT?!....there's no hope, people!...The way I figure it, you gotta laugh at how the human race is, or you'd go crazy!!!)
That has a LOT to do with the affordability and availability of contraception (even if you can FIND rubbers/the pill/whatever for sale you won't be likely to buy it instead of food), religious/tribal views toward contraception (think "catholic"), lack of education, and the simple drives to a: have sex and b: have children. There's also the thought among these people that if you have several children, one might be lucky enough to survive the wars, famine, poverty, and disease that is common-place in their lives. Many children are also born in these places to victims of rape (by strangers, soldiers, and husbands) and/or child abuse. Many others are born simply from a need to find temporary comfort from a life of despair and a little joy in the arms of a lover.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to try telling people that the poor aren't allowed to have sex & children. It'd be a bit like suggesting the same solution to the HIV crises. Telling them to "stop having so many kids" is a bit too simplistic and ignores the many surrounding factors.
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I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to try telling people that the poor aren't allowed to have sex & children. It'd be a bit like suggesting the same solution to the HIV crises. Telling them to "stop having so many kids" is a bit too simplistic and ignores the many surrounding factors.
Listening to the BBC on the radio the other day ( Thats a small box rather like a TV except no picture) there was an interview with a documentary maker just back from China, the topic was the pressure, finincial and moral put on couples to only have one child. Seen as an oppressive thing imposed by the Chinese government by us westerners. The interviewer was discussing this policy in a rural area and when it was suggested that this was a terrible thing to impose, the villagers where quite angry and gave the view that we farm what we can and survive on it, and what gives one particular couple the right to have two children and use up more of the areas resources. They really where quite angry that the interviewer even asked the question. ( course they could have been reading from a script prepared for them)
The impression was that if a couple had more than one child they became an outcast from the community.
The program did mention that in large cities the policy was somewhat relaxed, "If you can afford more than one child it was possible"
So that system of birth control seems to have worked for them.
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So that system of birth control seems to have worked for them.
I’m not sure I’d say a system of forced abortions, female infanticide, massive coercion and death camp orphanages within a totalitarian country was exactly working out. Although some Chinese have recently gained some measure of economic freedom the political and cultural repression there is exceeded only by that of North Korea.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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My aunt was one of the first to adopt a baby girl from China back in the 90s when that was just becoming "OK" for westerners to do. She said the orphanages were ALL girls over there...
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My aunt was one of the first to adopt a baby girl from China back in the 90s when that was just becoming "OK" for westerners to do. She said the orphanages were ALL girls over there...
There is a couple here that adopted two little girls out of a Chinese orphanage 10 or 12 years ago. They were malnourished, neglected and sickly. Now, after being raised in a loving caring home, they are sparkling vivacious wonderful kids. It makes you wonder about the ones who didn’t get out of China.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I’m not sure I’d say a system of forced abortions, female infanticide, massive coercion and death camp orphanages within a totalitarian country was exactly working out
Dont get me wrong, I am no supporter of any of the above. just saying that according to this report in rural areas the community agree that one child per couple is all the resources can sustain, as opposed to other countrties where large families occur in areas that can't provide the basics.
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Actually Matt, I agree with everything you said, especially the part about education.
Having been lucky enough to have been born an American, I've been brought up with the idea that "freedom"(I know, a somewhat vague term often thrown out in discussions as some kind of simplistic "trump card") should be the overriding goal of people's lives. Not a bad thing most of the time, I think. So, to push for any type of child-restriction system such as the Chinese instituted years ago in order for them to "catch up" with the industialized nations of the world, naturally goes against my basic thinking.
But unfortunately the Chinese method HAS worked, as Nibiker noted, and as Larry noted, does that make it right?! Not in my book!
And so...THIS is the reason I originally stated here..."There is no hope, people! You gotta laugh at the human race, or you'd go crazy!"...because, what often works isn't "right", and what's "right" doesn't often work!
(as I'm sure you know)
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They are sparkling? What do they use? Mothers? Simichrome? Buffer?
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Dont get me wrong, I am no supporter of any of the above. just saying that according to this report in rural areas the community agree that one child per couple is all the resources can sustain, as opposed to other countrties where large families occur in areas that can't provide the basics.
My questions would be; Who provides this consensus and what are the consequences of disagreement? Chinese peasants are not exactly encouraged to dispute government policy. Judging the popularity of this program by what people are willing to say is like judging the popularity of the leaders of Communist countries by the results of their elections.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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The reporter was sure he was getting a genuine answer to the question on the single child policy, however not the one he expected. ( They supported it).
Like I said, they could have just been replying with the party line, but he did not think so.
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Being poor in America really suks,you should try it in Sweden
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My aunt was one of the first to adopt a baby girl from China back in the 90s when that was just becoming "OK" for westerners to do. She said the orphanages were ALL girls over there...
There is a couple here that adopted two little girls out of a Chinese orphanage 10 or 12 years ago. They were malnourished, neglected and sickly. Now, after being raised in a loving caring home, they are sparkling vivacious wonderful kids. It makes you wonder about the ones who didn’t get out of China.
Actually, according to some reports and admissions from some Chinese leaders, this system is starting to backfire on China. There is now such a shortage of single females since boys are encouraged in China, that there is concern about unrest in the Army due to the same lack of women for the soldiers to start families with. Don't know how true the reports are, but think about an Army with a population bigger than our own country and no women for the male soldiers. Can't make for a happy barracks life!
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Actually, according to some reports and admissions from some Chinese leaders, this system is starting to backfire on China. There is now such a shortage of single females since boys are encouraged in China, that there is concern about unrest in the Army due to the same lack of women for the soldiers to start families with. Don't know how true the reports are, but think about an Army with a population bigger than our own country and no women for the male soldiers. Can't make for a happy barracks life!
If you'll check recent revisions in the adoption policies you'll find China has rethought their process and in order to restrict the outflow of girls they have implemented stringent adoption guidelines. Seems like they gave away too much breeding stock. One of my best friends adopted a Chinese girl in the 90's. In his own words the orphanages were like mini concentration camps, so under staffed that the babies were tied in their cribs or onto the potties because there wasn't enough staff to attend to them. His daughter had rope burns for months after they got back . Now she's and out-and-out American pre-teen and doing very well.
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Actually, according to some reports and admissions from some Chinese leaders, this system is starting to backfire on China.
It's a combination of the "system" and the cultural pressure of the "honor" of having a son.
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...no women for the male soldiers. Can't make for a happy barracks life!
it worked VERY well for the Spartans for quite a long time
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...no women for the male soldiers. Can't make for a happy barracks life!
it worked VERY well for the Spartans for quite a long time
As far as we know...
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...no women for the male soldiers. Can't make for a happy barracks life!
it worked VERY well for the Spartans for quite a long time
There aren't any Spartans anymore but there are LOTS of Chinese.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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There aren't any Spartans anymore but there are LOTS of Chinese.
Larry,
You just wiped out a portion of my nation, including my good friend and riding buddy Takis, who IS a Spartan.
Just kidding, I know what you meant. 
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There aren't any Spartans anymore but there are LOTS of Chinese.
Larry,
You just wiped out a portion of my nation, including my good friend and riding buddy Takis, who IS a Spartan.
Just kidding, I know what you meant.
Geez, I just realized something Thanassis, I was a Trojan when I went to school. Does that mean we can't be buddies any more? I promise, if I see Helen, I'll send her back....
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