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I think I'm missing something but can somebody please tell me how having a bunch of rock stars with the limos to haul them and the trucks to haul their show and the buttload of people that will drive to the shows and the beer trucks that deliver to the show and the electricity to power the show and on and on and on and on.... How does this do any good for anything???
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its good for rock stars they had another possibility to show off 
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I think I'm missing something but can somebody please tell me how having a bunch of rock stars with the limos to haul them and the trucks to haul their show and the buttload of people that will drive to the shows and the beer trucks that deliver to the show and the electricity to power the show and on and on and on and on.... How does this do any good for anything???
Do you remember a "Simpson's" episode where a baby Bart is walking around, banging on a pot, yelling, "I am so great! I am so great!"
It's like that.
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Is this the one Al Gore is a featured speaker? The point is, Nothing! Now, if Tipper Gore (Al's bride) were the speaker, we'd listen. Al's a shaker, Tipper's a mover.
Seriously, if all that's been said about global warming is true, then it's too late to do anything about it. I am concerned, but it's too late. And, not enough people care.
My Take on the "hole on the ozone layer" :
1. How do they measure the "hole"?
The U.S. Navy launches a hydrogen balloon from a base in Antarctica. When the balloon slows its ascent, it is in the ozone. Lo and behold, a glow is visible in the upper stratosphere, allowing the navy to get coordinates and see how big it is.
2. That's stupid!!! The ozone (O3) has an extra atom of oxygen, and that extra atom is very unstable, looking for something to react with or attach to. When the hydrogen (H2) filled balloon ruptures, the H2 can't ignite because of the oxygen deficiency at that level in the atmosphere. Then, when it is in contact with the unstable O2 atoms, a burning away of the edge of our ozone layer occurs.
Solution? STOP MEASURING THAT DARNED HOLE -- WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW ITS DIMENSION!!!
This is too politically oriented for me.
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Hey Man arn`t they raising heaps of money so we don`t all fry from global warming. Down here in Tassie we are awful close to the big hole and the sun down here will peel the paint off your tank! 
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Because Spinal Tap reunited. And it was good.
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I read yesterday that the temperature curve on Mars is following the one on Earth.
where did you see that?
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Well, if enough money is raised, and we send it to the sun, then that would solve the warming problem on mars too. Nothing like throwing money at a problem, it always works, just ask the government.
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I watched it for a few minutes. The Police were doing message in a bottle, an some rapper comes on (i may be too old school) and started, imho, sucking all over the place. Totally ruinated the tune. 
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Here is what I want to know. They say teh "scientists" that don't suscribe to global warming are bought off by big oil who pay for their research. (I want proof) So to tell me the environmentalists who dream up the Global warming from human activity are not in the same way being bought off by whomever pays for their grants and research?
Listening to Decaprio last night using terms such as, "Facts", "no longer therory"..etc but what about the notable scientist who say it's all bunk, part of the natural cycle. What about the mini ice age whcih we are still reportedly climbing out of. 200 years worth of global cooling? I remember back in the 70's when the same scientific experts were crying that we were heading for a new ice age not global warming! So who do we believe?
It has been said, "Figures lie and liars figure" you can make numbers say pretty much whatever you want so...what really is the truth?
To me credibility goes out the window when those who are crying the loudest justify their excesses over the common man and that referes to ALL those involved in this concert.
I do my part and I don't totally suscribe to it and I don't have "carbon credits!" (just annother means to make figures say what you want them to if you can afford it)
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Global Warming is the biggest afront to human liberty since communism, I like the commentary in FT.com by Vaclav Klaus recently, it was a wonderful read and quite right on in my view.
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IMHO I thought the concerts were great and the message even better. I do a agree that, yes, organizing and producing such a large scale event requires a lot of resources that do create a large amount of pollution. However I believe what was gained will far our weigh the harm created. A lot of these artists have switched and are switching to bio-diesel on their tours buses.
The point wasn't for musicians to toot their own horn but to create a message that if each of us just made small changes in our daily lives and routines we could collectively reduce the harm we create on the environment.
Being probably one of the youngest members on this board this issue is ever more important being that my time spent on earth will be far more affected by global warming than many of yours. We can not individually eliminate the damage that has been done but collectively we can reduce the harm.
This is in no means a jab at anyone on the board here but simply a different, younger perspective on Live Earth and its intended message.
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Reducing the harm we do to the environment by lowering our use of pollution producing elements is a good thing and should be lauded at every turn. Trying to cause mass hysteria by regaling us with global warming doom and gloom is unconscionable. Global warming is cause by man. It's a fact and everyone is onboard, right? Uh, not really. Here's a link to a page of over 200 links that provide evidence to the contrary. I encourage everyone to take a look.
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Thanks Phil, my point exactly. Not dissing the young brother above either, and I remember the talk back in the 60's about Global cooling and the same hype used back then and I had the same vested interest he has today. Time bore out the truth on that one as will likely occur with this. For me, right now it looks like whatever side has the most dollars wins the proclamation of what is really truth. Phil hit it right too, I think we need to be mindful about what we do but what is currently going on has transcended into pure hype and ultimately will damage the true elements of the cause. Recently the use of biofuel has become top news and is making it's way to our vehicles, now they say there are issues with that in terms of the environment as it may not be as user friendly as they thought. Comes with it's own set of demons so to speak. So do we do nothing? I think there is a bit we can do, but let's scare us into it! Like someone told me once..."Sometimes I have to lie to you for your own good!" Sorry, I don't think so.
PS no trees were cut down or land fills filled with waste paper for the making of this e-mail post...however Oil, coal and electricty were consummed in mass quality to make it available for your ability to read it! Every issue has an angle and a price to pay
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Saw an ad for a program coming up on either the history channel or National Geographic about the remains of tropical plants that grew on Iceland back when mankind was insignificant. So, I guess there was a lost civilization making "greenhouse gas" back then?
Anyone else notice that this growing hole in the ozone layer was 'discovered' a few years after the governments of the world started banning activities that produce ozone?
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Global climate change is cyclic, we have the historical records to prove it. There have been ice ages and warm eras as well, droughts and floods for eons. That's the history of Earth.
However we can't discount the addition of billions of tons of man produced pollutants to the atmosphere as contributing to an increased severity of climate change.
True, it's too late to do anything about those that are there. We can't change the past.
But we can do something about future pollutants, and even benefit economically as well.
I think the biggest resistance to change is from those industries that see a threat to their bottom line.
Short term thinking has been a plague of innovation for a long time.
And that's what we're talking about, innovation.
An example: In the 1970s the U.S. automakers were vehemently opposed to emissions controls, as the cost would affect their profits. Now, thirty some years later, we have cars that run infinitely cleaner than their predecessors, get better fuel mileage and much better performance.
Semi tractor engines now make more than 500 hp while producing no (or very little) visible smoke.
Using technology to be "greener" is a good thing, the benefits are immense.
And the innovators will reap the profits.
BTW bio-diesel is still a hydrocarbon, and still produces the same pollutants as dino-diesel.
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I caught an XM interview with Derek from Spinal Tap. He pretty much said it all.
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BTW bio-diesel is still a hydrocarbon, and still produces the same pollutants as dino-diesel.
Yup, and there have been few if any claims otherwise. The value of bio-diesel and moonshine gas is that they are made from stuff that was grown in a farmers field someplace in the US and the same stuff can be grown again. This reduces the need to pump stuff out of the ground that might be replaceable, but it will take some major geological changes involving the burying of some large thriving eco systems for a few thousand years.
I got a laugh from the big deal they made of the last Indy race being run on methanol. Back in the early 50's, most drag and lakes cars were run on various mixtures of methanol, nitromethane and castor oil. Little, if any gas was used except in the gas classes.
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aced with record beer queues, thirsty fans at Saturday's Live Earth concert at Sydney's Aussie Stadium were seen by the Herald offering others $50 for their beer rather than wait an hour to buy refreshments... Sydney Morning Herald
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New Jersey became on Friday the first U.S. state to mandate sharp greenhouse gas reductions by 2050 to help fight climate change.
The law, signed by Gov. Jon Corzine, a Democrat, makes New Jersey the latest state to bypass the Bush administration by setting mandatory regulations to fight emissions of gases that scientists link to global warming.
"We want to send a message to Washington. Wake up, get with the program and start doing something about greenhouse gases," Corzine told reporters at Giants Stadium on the eve of former Vice President Al Gore's international Live Earth concerts.Reuters USA
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Several articles examined the green credentials of artists on the day, including Madonna, whose annual "carbon footprint" was estimated at around 100 times the average Briton's. Reuters Canada
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The most conservative assessment of the flights being taken by its superstars is that they are flying an extraordinary 222,623.63 miles between them to get to the various concerts - nearly nine times the circumference of the world....
...The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of carbon emissions....
...Razorlight frontman Johnny Borrell has been criticised for urging people to drive electric eco-scooters - but buying a 1,000cc Moto Guzzi bike - described as 'a monster-revving beast'.... digg.com
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A lot of these artists have switched and are switching to bio-diesel on their tours buses.
Bio-diesel does produce cleaner emissions that petro-diesel and that helps us breath clean air....A good thing. Be careful relating the use of Bio-diesel to Global Warming though. Since C02 is (allegedly) to blame for the warming then all these tour buses (one for each member of Dave Matthews band by the way) are no less a contributor than their petro powered cousins.
Below is taken from an EPA report on Bio-Diesel.
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We were not able to identify an unambiguous difference in exhaust CO2 emissions between biodiesel and conventional diesel. However, it should be noted that the
CO2 benefits commonly attributed to biodiesel are the result of the renewability of the biodiesel itself, not the comparative exhaust CO2 emissions.
IE: supporters of BD calculate the CO2 absorbed while the plant is growing to achieve a lower C02 result. Ummmm.. couldn't they just grow a tree and offset the petro??
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We have high confidence in these estimates for the current fleet. However, the database contained no engines equipped with exhaust gas recirculation (EGR), NOx adsorbers, or PM traps. In addition, approximately 98% of the data was collected on 1997 or earlier model year engines. We made an attempt to estimate the impacts that biodiesel might have on EGR equipped engines by investigating cetane effects of biodiesel, and we have no reason to believe that biodiesel will have substantially different impacts on emissions from the effects shown above for engines having NOx adsorbers or PM traps.
Hmmm..... so they've also discounted all the emissions advancements that the auto companies have come up with since at least 1997. Moreover, they didn't even compare it to an EGR equipped vehicle at all. Gosh, I had an EGR valve on my first car.. a 1977 VW - and it was old news then. Just makes you wonder how old the engines were they compared.
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As the resident veggiehippy type, I should be spouting off about how we should be looking after the planet and how global warming should be taken seriously. However we in the UK have just had the wettest June on record and I was thinking of putting the heating on. and have had the electric blanket on most nights in the last couple of weeks. (though perhaps I should just look for a bloke to keep me warm..... but then the electric bill from the blanket must be cheaper....  ) Nope. I'm a believer in the natural scheme of things.... ice ages come, ice ages go. This is the end of the end of the last Ice age. Nothing we do will change it. Just wanna have fun while I can - so I'm gonna open another bottle of wine....
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I'm with Gina- Preserve natural resources and be good stewards with the planet... but were not causing or able to stop this.
I can't find the page for citation, but there is a group that acknowledges bovine flatulence as one of the leading contributers to ozone depletion. Their solution is to eat less beef so there will be less need to have as many cows around on the planet...
My wife doesn't eat meat, and she got a chuckle. If we just got rid of all the animals...
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I burned a bunch of brush ( sorry ) and when it all burned down I stepped in the black ashes and made a cool set of carbon footprints on my drive .I am guilty as charged , but I will leave my fridge open for two weeks as a carbon offset . 
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It's sad to me that a real phenomenon has become trivialized by a series of pop concerts that themselves were an enormous waste of electricity. It also seems to me that we can't really discerrn if we're causing this or it's just a normal planetary cycle. Still, what's the loss in being conservation minded? Less resource abuse means more for all of us and that's a good thing, isn't it?
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Like with MOST issues discussed here and everywhere, people tend to focus on ONE aspect of a bigger picture. Wether or not cars cause global warming doesn't change the fact that they DO POLLUTE!!! As do many other things we do. The average annual temperature is but a SMALL piece of the puzzle. Start your bike in a closed garage and turn it on. See how long you last... It's not good for us period.
Now how bout that rendition of Big Bottom!!!
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By the way Gina, it was 120 in AZ last week and it's hot enough in NY they are setting up "cooling stations" around town... I brought my AC with me to my friend's house this weekend 
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Now how bout that rendition of Big Bottom!!!
Oh Nooooo, Spinal Tap played "Big Bottom" and I missed it? 
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Now how bout that rendition of Big Bottom!!!
Oh Nooooo, Spinal Tap played "Big Bottom" and I missed it?
Yep, plus a new song "Warmer than ******". Big Bottom featured just about every rock bassist there is or was!
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Did you see the price of the tickets? I wanted to go but couldn't justify spending $175 to sit in the upperdeck at the meadowlands. I think that if they put all that money back into helping the enviroment they'll have done some good.
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why didn't the "artists" play closer to where they live (i.e. i think snoop dog played germany)?
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I found a replay Big Bottom 
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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The idea that mankind is the cause of climate change is swiftly being debunked. At the same time politicians are climbing on the bandwagon and demanding we make huge cuts in our standard of living to reduce the manmade impact on the climate. The other writings of the fiercest global warming proponents show an agenda of huge reductions in human population and reduction in the standard of living for everyone other than the elites.
An example is the ban on DDT. The studies that showed bald eagles and other raptors were dying because of DDT were badly flawed. Regardless, they were used to ban DDT. Malaria was largely wiped out and millions were saved because of DDT. Now millions die every year of a disease that is only rampant because of the ban. When all the people who die because of the DDT ban are added up it amounts to more than all the victims of the Nazis, the Communists, and all the wars of the 20th century combined. The same people promoting the alarmist theories of global warming are opposing even the judicious use of DDT to save the millions who needlessly die each year of malaria. The only conclusion is that they are responsible for the deaths of more humans than all the tyrants of the 20th century combined. I guess it’s OK though if it makes them feel good about themselves.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Phil,
You know global warming is a punishment from GOD onto CONSERVATIVES for allowing LIBERALS to run rampant and multiply on the earth.
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You know global warming is a punishment from GOD onto CONSERVATIVES for allowing LIBERALS to run rampant and multiply on the earth.
My position exactly 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Global warming exists I saw it, I see it today but global cooling is just a couple months away so I'll enjoy the warming and go ride.
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Wait not long my brother, a reply from DWIGHT is soon coming.
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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