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Yeah! And where's the sport in that, huh???!!!
(kind'a takes all the fun out of "catch and release")
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Smoked 18 years before quitting, and quit cold-turkey. That is hardly addicting, and hardly makes me a criminal.
Alcohol makes me ill - makes the room spin and me sick at my stomach, and the headache the next day keeps me from wanting to do much, either.
Never suffered none of that from pot.
You are good, are you are bad, but what you are is by choice, and largely due to how you were raised, not what bad habits you may pick up along the way.
If they could legalize it, tax it, and get re-elected, they would have long ago. I would trust a pot-smoking politician more than I would one with a DUI on his record.
I decided to major in Agri-Business back in 1979, and here we are nearly 30 years later debating the same lame debate. I thought surely it would be a legal cash crop by now. Look at the evidence!
Insurance companies are a bigger hurdle than we think, as they are going to cry foul at their supposed "increased risks", but they are not exactly throwing down the gauntlet at the tobacco and alcohol industries. I suspect that, aside from their own personal consumption (and bet they like pot, too), the tobacco and alcohol industries return a nice capital gain to their investment bottom-lines. You will find both tobacco and alcohol (beverage) companies in any mutual fund or diversified investment portfolio.
I haven't had a connection for over 12 years, but have never quit longing for the stuff. I live without, but not really by choice. Some freedom this is. I would toke in a heartbeat if presented the opportunity right now.
The "drug war" is a scam.
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I think one thing we need to remember is that, making it legal isn't telling people to do it... Alcohol is legal, and look at all the stuff about that! Don't drink n drive, etc. Also, just making it "legal" doesn't mean it will be legal to DRIVE on it... So the "don't want to get hit by a trucker" argument, while a valid fear, isn't really pertinent to the discussion. Mainly because it's just as much a problem wether it is legal or not.
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If hookers were legal we wouldnt need drugs or alcohol.
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Ok, real fast Tim. If you've ever used you cell phone while driving your a hypocrite, unless you've completely given it up. Does your car have a radio? I suggest you rip it out, because I see no difference between changing sceens on a DVD or changing radio stations. I don't have dvd players in my car, and I wont lie, I use my cell phone when I drive. Looking for cig's, smacking your children for misbehaving, trying to grab your triple latte while checking stock quotes. Everyone does things they shouldn't when they drive. I seriously doubt your holyier than thou.  Quote:
If I want to risk my life, it's my life to do it with, if someone want's to play with my life, I'll let them know it's not appreciated with the marbles that I keep in my pocket.
Because your life is so much more important than someone elses. What happens when one of your marbles misses it's intended target and shatters the windshield of minivan with a family in it? Seriously, I can't see how you even have a leg to stand on.
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If hookers were legal we wouldnt need drugs or alcohol.
I think you're onto something. 
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I just bought my first cell phone this year and I bought it with the hands free kit so I could use it while driving with out being distracted. I only listen to one radio station in my area but usually I put the Ipod on random before I leave my drive way or parking space. But you're right, everyone does stuff they shouldn't while driving, it doesn't mean the more distarcting things like talking on a cell phone or watching a DVD shouldn't be illegal. But since we're having this discution, and it is a discution right? There's no reason to get all bent out of shape and call names or question my integrity, you don't know me or anything about me other than what I've said on this forum. That being said, no my life isn't any more important than anyone else's. In my 4 years riding I've only had to use my marbles once. Usually I just pull up next to someone and give them the one finger salute. The marbles are for extreme situations only when all other means of letting some one know that I don't appreciate them acting in a manner that can make me dead have failed. And the once I used a marble I waited until we were nowhere near any other cars.
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You should come to Rhode Island, the prostitution laws only apply to street walking. Prostitution is legal behind closed doors.
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I like Mary Janes , they have a nice peanutbutter taste , and if they be cold they be brittle and when they be hot they be chewy . Yum . Yum . They are legal in Georgia . 
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There's no reason to get all bent out of shape and call names or question my integrity, you don't know me or anything about me other than what I've said on this forum.
I never called names, or questioned your integerity. If you think I did, I'm sorry. I just think that your playing both sides of that fence, in my book, that's not cool.
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The marbles are for extreme situations only when all other means of letting some one know that I don't appreciate them acting in a manner that can make me dead have failed.
Right, and that whole thing where they talk about defensive driving and letting things go just goes out the window.
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I never called names, or questioned your integerity. If you think I did, I'm sorry.
If you've ever used you cell phone while driving your a hypocrate... I seriously doubt your holyier than thou.
Sure is what it sounded like but apoligy accepted.
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I just think that your playing both sides of fence, in my book that's not cool.
Like I said before, I'm all for people being given the freedom to mess up their own lives but if they mess up mine, that's what I don't agree with. Personally I think there's a clear cut line between the two, my life is mine to screw up, your life is not mine to screw up.
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The marbles are for extreme situations only when all other means of letting some one know that I don't appreciate them acting in a manner that can make me dead have failed.
Right, and that whole thing where they talk about defensive driving and letting things go just goes out the window.
Also like I said before, when I'm in my Jeep I don't get that mad because if they hit me I have to get insurance to fix it, I still don't appreciate it but not to the point that I carry marbles in my center console. They don't have insurance that can fix me being dead so yeah, what they taught me in Drivers Ed about defensive driving goes right out the window because in drivers ed they teach you about how to deal with situations when you're in a car not on a bike. But that's just my opinion on how to deal with people who don't care if I'm dead or not.
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ugh...that would be horrible. I'd rather see home distilling legalized so I can upgrade my little 10 gallon still.
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Freedom is a right, but also a responsibility. It isnt absolute, for the exercise of freedom must involve restraint in order to not intrude on others. Freedom exercised simply for the inducement of pleasure is hedonism and detrimental to right itself. The recreational use of drugs is a abuse of the right of freedom.
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I will never understand how alcohol is legal but pot isn't. I don't use drugs or alcohol at all but do believe the pot should be legal and TAXED like cigarettes.I don't think possession should be procecuted but unregulated production should but no more than unregulated alcohol production. Pot should be taxed and the money used to reduce the tax burdon on home owners. I see no reasonable argument to have pot illegal that couldn't be applied to cigarettes and or alcohol. I also feel many otherwise law abiding people have been sent to prison for it and don't deserve it and many come out criminals who were not before they went in.
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I will never understand how alcohol is legal but pot isn't. I don't use drugs or alcohol at all but do believe the pot should be legal and TAXED like cigarettes.I don't think possession should be procecuted but unregulated production should but no more than unregulated alcohol production. Pot should be taxed and the money used to reduce the tax burdon on home owners. I see no reasonable argument to have pot illegal that couldn't be applied to cigarettes and or alcohol. I also feel many otherwise law abiding people have been sent to prison for it and don't deserve it and many come out criminals who were not before they went in.
+1! That makes my point, why should two cash crops (tobacco and alcohol) be legal and generating revenue when another is prohibited and yet the demand is great enough to generate billions in underground cash flow while sucking the bottom out of the common revenue pool. The liberty of being able to modify your mood in the privacy of your own space ought to trump any societal morality legislation (as long as it doesn't trample on anyone else's rights). Jeez, I'm starting to sound like a libertarian... 
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Freedom is a right, but also a responsibility. It isnt absolute, for the exercise of freedom must involve restraint in order to not intrude on others. Freedom exercised simply for the inducement of pleasure is hedonism and detrimental to right itself. The recreational use of drugs is a abuse of the right of freedom.
Todd, While I appreciate your fundamental rationale and warning regarding the obvious dangers inherent in the abuse of mind-altering and illict drugs, I think you might have overstated it a bit when you theorized that "freedom exercised simply for the inducement of pleasure", in essence the "pursuit of happiness"(a very american tradition, of course) is "hedonistic". Well, maybe fundamentally it is, but considering that many other endevors with which western(and "modern") people indulge themselves today, such as riding a motorcycle around and burning up the fosil fuels of this planet simply for the positive effects that it has on one's psyche and not just to get from Point-A to Point-B(Lord knows I do THIS all the time, and I don't think I'm the only one around here who does) could also perhaps fit into your "hedonism" catagory.
And so, even though I agree that recreational drug use is, well, pretty STUPID for the most part, when there are so many other things to do with one's life, places to visit, ways of enlightment to be researched, etc, etc, etc, before they kick the ol' bucket, I don't believe you're logic in this matter holds up to scrutiny, my friend.
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Legalize pot, tax it, and lower my income taxes, dang it.
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Dwight, riding a bike is legal, and doesnt alter one's mind, nor infringe on the rights of others ( as say driving under the influence, or say frying ones brain and becoming a burden on the taxpayers ). So, to exercise one's "freedom" at the point of breaking the law, it is abuse, and that is the context of the discussion and my response. We have some on here who feel that ignorance of the law is okay, but want the law changed to offer them sanction for their illicit behaviour. In breaking the law, they have abused their freedom and decided they are above society and its laws. That lawlessness is an abuse to the right and detrimental to it and hurtful to society that is of laws.
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I wasn't speaking out of ignorance at all plus I don't use any drugs or alcohol or even cigarettes. It is narrow minded to think pot is any worse than alcohol , I for one think the reverse is true if you really want to come down to it. I also am not speaking of costing the tax payer money but rather adding money to the stream by making it legal and taxing it not to mention all the cases that won't cost money to prosecute or inmates tax payers won't have to support or law enforcement that won't need to be paid to arrest them or criminals that won't be created out of otherwise law abiding citizens.I for one also know quite a few people who smoke pot who are good family people and work very hard for a living so who is anyone to tell them that they can't enjoy a little pot rather than a couple beers at the end of the day? It is no different than proabition except the legal people can't seem to figure out they can't stop pot use any more than alcohol use. Proabition didn't work and neither will any laws prohibiting the use or sale of pot. So I say legalize it tax it and make it a revenue maker rather than a burdon on the tax payer.
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Read again. I don't use pot. I wouldn't if it was legal. If it was legal, it wouldn't be illicit, would it? I think that the "morality laws" are a waste of law enforcement manpower and taxpayer money.
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You should come to Rhode Island, the prostitution laws only apply to street walking. Prostitution is legal behind closed doors.
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I don't think we are ever going to ween the law enforcement agencies from the government hand-outs they label as "drug war" funds. These agencies have gotten so used to these dollars for so many years now, they would be the first to raise the biggest stink if anyone ever seriously suggested these funds be cut or eliminated. Ever see a government agency that could not figure out how to spend their entire budget so they could "rationlize" a bigger budget next year? How would we ever get around THAT hurdle? 
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Should laws not be moral?
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laws should be moral but I don't want my morality legislated for me. 
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The ONLY real value to that stuff is that the fibers in the stem makes very good rope. I don't understand why people want to be artificially insane anyway.
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That question brings up an entirely different discussion involving things we can't talk about here. 
Doesn't everybody's life revolve around food?
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William Randolph Hearst is why you can't do drugs today. He didn't want the cheap hemp from the south interfering with his lumber and rope business. He used THC and Dope Addiction to accomplish that. It was all about money and using politics to make anything that stops the big shots from making money illegal. Try buying cheaper drugs in Mexico and Canada (Rx type drugs) and bring them back to the U.S. You will see that principle is alive and well today. No, morality and law have no common ground. 
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I don't think we are ever going to ween the law enforcement agencies from the government hand-outs they label as "drug war" funds. These agencies have gotten so used to these dollars for so many years now, they would be the first to raise the biggest stink if anyone ever seriously suggested these funds be cut or eliminated. Ever see a government agency that could not figure out how to spend their entire budget so they could "rationlize" a bigger budget next year?
How would we ever get around THAT hurdle?
Remember, there are still PLENTY of drugs out there to have their little war on. I think most people are just talking about decriminalizing SOME aspects of the pot thing. Like posesion, etc. And in some cases the regulation of it for our tax benefit.
Hemp stuff still makes it to market... I have a hemp hackie sack 
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No, morality and law have no common ground.
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Legalize it, tax it. I smoked pot every day for 8 years, stopped in 1984 without a single episode of withdrawal. My propblem with pot was it made me lazy - that's one thing I needed no help with. The only sign of danger it caused was when I got a ticket for my speed - I was doing 15 mph in a 45 mph zone.
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