Yo J. Doe....I had the TORds on my America..for about 150 miles. Too quite. Got the BUB slash cuts that look just like them. Better performance, lighter, and WAY better sounding. Heard the Epcos on an friends Speedy but it sounded to high pitched. Gutted at pair of stock pipes and cut off 5 inches...obnoxious and I lost power. You want to hear 'em...email mail me and we can set up a time. Also..South Bay Triumph in Lomita knows Triumphs. They will get you anything you want for your ride. If they can't I can..I have done EVERYTHING to my bike.