you're right benjammin, no one is better than anyone else, but like you and Dwight have been talking about image and perception are pretty much all that matters any more, right or WRONG! Had it been somebody up there like Tim Allen, Jay Leno or Jonathan Herbert Walker Hilton Rockerfeller III esq. representing our side of the issue, instead of a guy in leather named "Diablo", well, sadly, he/she would have carried a LOT more weight with the typical city council weenies, because, they can relate to someone like that more than they can relate to Diablo and what they see as a fringe element of society, who obviously, in their eyes, is a lower class citizen than such fine personages as populate the Denver City Council (and most city councils in my opinion) Guess I'll dig out my slightly gutted and scuffed factory pipes (with EPA stamp!) when or if I move out that way.... Oh well, I've been thinking about ditching the Bubs anyway, if I could find a louder version of the shotgun pipes that used to come on the Speedmasters.