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I got this out of Road and Track. The data resides with Carnegie Mellon University and is raw-no interpretation( unlike the Hurt report) but it is interesting. As the author says, it is bound to p*** off just about every group. If you didn't have a reason to ride safe before, just realizing that you are 35 times more likely to have a fatal accident on a motorcycle than in a passenger car should get any one's attention. I'm not going to stop riding because I have this information-just being even more paranoid than I am already. Like the MSF guys say, it doesn't matter whose fault the crash was, the motorcycle rider is going to get the worse end of the deal. http://www.aaafoundation.org/trafficSTATS/
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Interesting you post this. The other night on the 6:00 news, they had some lady on talking about which cars are better to survive a crash in. Of course everyone is going to take that to mean these cars are the safest.... No it just means less people died in them. They also showed the "deadliest cars" like the Acura RSX. Well sure a sports car! Duh! People TRY to get hurt in those things!! I hate statistics... They also talked NOTHING about accident avoidence, AND they drew their own conclusion which was "bigger is better", that's their words. GREAT!! Just what NY needs is more soccer moms in Hummers.
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"There are lies, d@mned lies, and statistics" (Mark Twain)
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YES!! I always forget who said that, shoulda known it was Twain. All those things get me so much because of the way people follow them like gospell. I have relatives who do that. Choose to follow one study or whatever and completely ignore any and all other advice... Oh well.
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, dam_ed lies, and statistics.
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I thought this was interesting-as far as raw data goes but saying a motorcycle rider is 35 times more likely to get killed than a car driver is such a generality as to be useless in the real world except to underscore the importance of riding safe.
I did read or hear at a riders safety meeting that most single rider fatalaties occur on left hand turns. That makes sense because that is where people go too wide and loose it.
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I thought this was interesting-as far as raw data goes but saying a motorcycle rider is 35 times more likely to get killed than a car driver is such a generality
Not only a generality, but it's no longer raw data. That is a conclusion drawn from the raw data. Saying "35 times more people DIED last year than in cars" is raw data, telling someone they are therefore more likely to die is a conclusion. Plus, what if the statistics change for this year? Then it's all crap again 
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, dam_ed lies, and statistics.
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Oh and I'll believe a guy named Ben any day Thanks for the clarification.
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I was in an insurance office once and the five foot tall, four foot wide woman behind the desk said that fateful word, "Murdercycles." Steam coming out of my ears, I looked at her and said:
"Considering that heart disease caused by high blood pressure and high cholesterol is the number one killer of Americans, which one of us has a death wish?"
Minimize your risks in what you do, but riding a bike is living . Not riding is just existing.
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Thats thinkin on your feet!!
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I thought this was interesting-as far as raw data goes but saying a motorcycle rider is 35 times more likely to get killed than a car driver is such a generality as to be useless in the real world except to underscore the importance of riding safe.
If they quoted the number of deaths per some number of crashes, it might mean something. On the other hand, comparing the number of deaths per year without giving any consideration to number of crashes, number of trips, etc. it seems that driving is 50X more dangerous than flying.
Another bit of trivia to play with, the FAA has very strict regulations concerning inspection intervals, wear limits, minimum equipment requirements and such yet, the percentage of aircraft accidents caused by mechanical failure is identical to the number of traffic accidents caused by mechanical failure.
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I did read or hear at a riders safety meeting that most single rider fatalaties occur on left hand turns. That makes sense because that is where people go too wide and loose it.
People tend to overestimate the radius difference between the inside and outside lanes in a bend.
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Very good points. When people present conclusions about statistics, they are often NOT very clear on the PER part of things. Or like the most stolen cars.... Well duh, there's how many times more accords on the road than say PT cruisers, of course they are going to get stolen more!! Simple probability.
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