Thanks Ian, I've got 3 or 4 sets of baffles hanging around, but they just don't sound right. Too tinney, The ones I'm lookin at look like thier made out of a heavier guage steel for a deeper sound. I aint trying to throw money away, just lookin for the right sound. Since I didn't want to drill a bunch of holes in my pretty pipes, I'm using a couple of pieces of straight 1 3/4 straight exhaust pipe I have laying around cut to the same length as the fishies. Trying to see the difference in sound and performance in baffle placement. Also using different packing to wee what that does. All done I'm still less than $130 in pipes.