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you guys need to learn the difference between a head and cylinders/barrels.
Sheesh!
I think you need to go back and click on some else nic I do know the differances ...and I never said any thing about heads or cyinders/barrels...
SHEESH....
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Billet heads were mentioned thus my question. I didn't think it warrented a new thread.
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Yes the case has to be bored, as does the 1100cc kit to fit the larger pistons. And both kits will also need a Jojje made aluminum head, because the stock head isn't big enough for the 101mm pistons. That'll cost you about $500.
This is the post I was talking about. Cylinder, not head!
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Ryan,
Ahh, another America owner with buyer's remorse(just nad bustin'). If you had a Speedmaster with those dual front brakes, then you wouldn't have as much problem stopping. 
You're right though about looking at the entire bike when doing performance mods. Suspension, brakes, clutch all need to be factored in. And the stock carbs aren't going to do you too much good when pumping up that motor to 1100cc. That's the first thing you should do when starting a project like this...sit down and make a list of all the costs. Talk to Bill or whoever and go through what's going to be needed for parts and other costs.
So far for the 1100cc kit, I have the following costs from the Delphi forum. However, some of the costs may vary:
1100cc Wiseco kit: $885 Jojje billet head: ~$500 Powdercoat head: $100? Carillo rods: $700 Bore and sleeving head: $250-300 Case boring: $250 Gaskets: $82
There is no cost posted yet on dynamically balancing the crankshaft. I think Bill guesstimated that it would run $300-450. There are other costs not listed, like Triumph seals, o-rings, stronger clutch springs, and what not. For floating rotors and stainless brake lines, check Brent's site.
and this one
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Probably a slip Jeff. I believe both these guys know the difference! 
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Ok, cylinders...happy now? And I still don't see any proof that JE Pistons are any better than Wiseco's, just a link to the JE Piston website. So what makes them better? Is it that NASCAR endorsement on their homepage? 
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i know je makes better pistons for yamaha as i believe they are a bit thicker in certain stress areas. but i know jojje is running weisco pistons with a turbo, beats the ****** out of the thing all the time and has no problems at all. the 904 is proven to be bulletproof and even if the je was to be better is it really worth it?
Frank
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yes...people need to know there other's way's to go .  and from what i am seeing there very close in price  BIKER 
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Hey Ed, just curious if you know what aspect of their design makes them better? The forgeing? Or the design in stressed areas like someone said? I know you know your stuff, so I'm just curious if you know specifics or have just had really good experiences with them in the past.
Benny
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Not enough miles ridden
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all i can say is go to each company webpage read what each one has to offer and go from there..and rember people i am not in any way saying Wiseco is a bad piston... i am just saying JE is a better one  BIKER 
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I don't know the metalurgy of Wiseco I do know from experience in using Wiseco pistons. I have never had an engine fail because of a Wiseco piston. I have also seen them hold up to abuse no piston should have to take.I had a friend put the retaining clips in backwards in an S&S big bore kit from Harley with Wiseco pistons. The wrist pin ate almost 1/4 into the side of the jug. Almost through the wall into the fins. The rod was bent the engine was still running but making a racket as tou would imagine. The piston and rest of the cylander wall was fine.I can tell you quite a few cases where Wiseco held up to more than they should ever have to.
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Should be Riding
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That's cool, just curious really.
Benny
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Not enough miles ridden
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