Yes. Went to short TORS looking for a different sound but they were too loud (straight through, no baffle at all). They were on my first BA when I dropped it and the right one was scraped on the bottom so I gave them away. Then long TORS with the last baffle drilled out looking for more power, but they were also just too darn loud. As time goes by it seems the stockers are developing a personality of their own, and I like the standard length (the long TORs are just a bit shorter, I think, to cut off the last stock baffle). The long TORs may go back on for another try, if I just can't take it, they'll end up in the classifieds thread.