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I don't know about everyone else but I would just eat & get very, very sleepy.

I'll have to take that back. I had some that was laced with PCP...very interesting! Lets make LSD legal while we are @ it...that stuff is fun!

The fact is marijuana is ILLEGAL. If you are mad at the laws, the country, or the big bad government then leave. Go somewhere that you are totally free to use a MIND and MOOD alterring DRUG so you are not on the same roads that my family and I travel on. I have a question for all you dopers, where would you draw the line? Should we legalize everything? Methamphetamine? PCP? Ecstacy? Heroin? Here's an idea, why not legalize homicide, rape, and child molestation? I'm sure you can find someone to argue each case. But guess what the majority of law abiding citizens have no desire to commit the afforementioned crimes or smoke dope. There is a reason it is called dope.

We have enough legal substances as it is. I dont know what we would do if weed became legal.

Many Aerospace businessess are required by FAA regs to strictly enforce no tolerance rules when an employee tests positive for illegal drugs.

It would put a whole new twist on things. As it is if you test posiitive for weed during random drug testing many companies must show you the door.

If it were legal I would assume at that point that they would have to change their policy to one that assumes only under the influence of while at work or on duty much like alcohol.

Would it be OK to smoke a doobie at 11:00 PM at night and if tested at 0900 the next day what criteria would they use to determine exactly how long the influence lasts?

how long does a high last and does it vary by the strength and purity of the canabis? Probably.

I think we have plenty of problems with drugs period and I see no reason to legalize it and make experimentation rampant.

As it is some people stay away from it for societal and legal reasons but make it legal ....jeez we would have hop heads running rampant everywhere. I am sure traffic deaths would grow simply as a result of more kids leaving the house late at night to go to the supermarket to buy Mallomars.

Prostitution...now that is 1 thing I would vote YES on.

O.K. I'll probably touch on some things that have already been said, and may be vague on some, but since I do a kind of "stream of consciousness" thing, that's bound to happen .
Depending on where you get your statistics roughly 40% of youth (under 21) have used pot. The thing here is that pot dealers don't ask for ID. They sell to whomever has the cash.
If pot were legal, taxed and regulated, many of the dealers would just quit dealing since they do it partly to get their own supplies.
Another reason would be because the Feds and Staties would be able to go after them on tax charges. That's how they finally nailed Al Capone ya know. Tax evasion.
Now I know that's certainly not going to keep it from those kids that want it, hell I used to swipe my dad's smokes and nips off of his whiskey bottle when I was 12. The same would be sure to happen with pot.
Now, with this tax money coming in, you start a drug education program. And not that BS they used to give in the 60s and 70s either. Lay out the facts about the contents of marijuana smoke (way worse than tobacco)and other drugs, have some addicts tell about their own personal Hell, show a few more of the gory highway patrol movies to help it sink in. And make operating a vehicle under the influence (of any drug) a felony with a heavy fine involved as well as jail time. And mandatory sentencing if one causes a death or serious injury.
Let adults make their own choices, just like helmets.
It's a crime with no victim, at least it would be if the business was taken from the criminal element.
It makes absolutely no sense to put someone in prison for a graduate degree in criminality for smoking dope.
Also we could free up the courts, LEOs and prison system to deal with the violent offenders that should never take a free breath.
I'm sure those who want to privatize the penal system oppose legalizing anything that might take money out of their pockets, but that's a different subject.

And for those of you who think that only the dopers want to legalize it, I'm not.

Making it legal cause so many do it already isnt an argument.

As for drug policies, it is easy, the workplace defines a work contract, include the use of it as intolerable, and then when tested, if it is in the system, out of job one is. I am sure unions would fight this tooth and nail, but they really arent about productivity anyway.

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I am sure unions would fight this tooth and nail, but they really arent about productivity anyway.

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Bullchit on both counts.

Legalize everything!

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I used to work in a state prison and I believe there are too many people in prison for personal marijuana use. I went to a debate at one of the local colleges a few years back. It was an organization called NORML (National Organization For Reformation of Marijuana Laws) against a guy that was from NYC who was in charge of a task force of thousands (don't remember how many) that arrested people for drugs. He didn't believe that ANYBODY should be in prison for marijuana use. He didn't think it should be legalized though either.

I actually went to a "Smoke IN" in Washington D.C. when I was 18 years old across the street from the White House. Anybody remember those? Cops were lined up all around the park on horses. Anyway, you were able to smoke marijuana and not get busted. It was run by NORML. I always wondered how this event was possible to run. This was in the late 70's. It was a VERY peaceful and enjoyable event.

Back to the debate. The vice squad guy from NYC said that people that got busted for weed should be in treatment not prison. Our government wastes too much money throwing people in prison, which everyone is aware, doesn't work. It would be so much cheaper sending people to treatment centers than prison. I agree, if the government REALLY cared, thats what they'd do. We have had people die in prison from drug overdoses where I live. Not weed, but all types of drug use is rampant in state prisons. The public would be astonished of how much drug use there is in prison.

If I had to choose, alcohol would be illegal and marijuana legal. This coming from a person that works in the medical field and doesn't smoke weed but drinks. Not that I never tried it. Just not my thing anymore. I know many people in prominent positions that are recreational users. I even know a few that smoke everyday that are responsible people. Many people are in prison for violent crimes committed while drunk. I used to hang around with a couple guys that whenever they got drunk they loved to fight but smoke a little weed and they were pussycats.

Didn't Canada in the recent past legalize small amounts for personal use? What about Amsterdam? How does it affect their society?

There will be people that abuse everything, in ALL occupations. Many people abuse legal prescription drugs. I did a survey in nursing school on whether or not marijuana should be legalized for medicinal purposes and about 75% said yes. I was not surprised that ALL the teachers voted yes. The reason is they are exposed to a lot that most people aren't. I would of loved to of given my parents a joint when they were dying of cancer. Just to see if it would make them want to eat. They wouldn't do it cause the government says it's illegal.


Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

Rick

it will be leagalised at some point in the future...as Smoking (cig's) becomes more and more tabo...big tobacco will need to do something to keep up the bottom line...who is in a better position to grow, process, package, and distribute...who I ask...BIG tobacco...thats who...soon their massive lobying $$$ will go toward legalizing it and they will be in the drivers seat when it comes to getting it out to the public...and reep the profits...

...and this just in...

smoke 'em if you got 'em
Was this any of you guys?

Hmmm. Kev methinks that poor bastage is gonna spend some time behind bars. 43 pounds of weed and some coke. LOL.

Marywannas. It needs to be burned up. If not for cocaine, Freud would have been a doper. Just as every person who imbibes is an alcoholic, so is every individual who fires a spleef a doper. Right. One of the arguments against prohibition used the decline in field productivity, especially in the South.

I can't wait to see what the size of the carbon tax will be which the Europeans want on everything. Carbon footprint of a nickel bag is equal to ???

Seems like common sense goes out the window as often as lit butts do.

Why is it that?


P.S. I almost forgot! “Speeding is wrong. So why was driving legalized?”
Drunk driving is wrong, distracted driving is wrong and stoned driving is wrong.
Why legalize an activity that will ultimately put you as a rider at risk?”

When we consider the potential of Marijuana as tax revenue cash cow, I find it hard to believe the revenuers haven't figured out how to rationalize legalizing. Whenever a vote on the floor has been a tough sell in sessions past, they draw out that good old "The money will go to education" lie.

Gambling used to be a 'sin,' until the states decided they wanted in on it. Now it's OK.

It's just a matter of time for pot.

what am i supposed to do with the batch of hemp seed brownies i just half-baked ?

"The fact is marijuana is ILLEGAL. If you are mad at the laws, the country, or the big bad government then leave. Go somewhere that you are totally free to use a MIND and MOOD alterring DRUG so you are not on the same roads that my family and I travel on."

Keep this in mind......Methodone is legal for heroine addicts, and insurance companies pay for it. The users drive to the clinics, they drive home. They take thier methodone with them to shoot up and drive around some more.
Not to mention folks who are taking:
Vicoden, Lortab, Percoset, Oxycontin, Ativan and a hundred other narcotics that are "legal" but illegally used.
I work in a hospital, my sister works in an OB/GYN office. My best buds a Social Worker. If eveyone on this forum knew the number of folks on the road who are driving impared at any given time......None of us would leave home.
Life is a risk. Irregardless of what is legal or illegal there will be social ills and people putting others lives at risk becuase thier addiction is more important.
Just my two cents.

Only if it's from Thailand.

All drugs, yes all, should be legal to everyone that is an adult. Make the drugs legal, tax em, and control quality. Sell to adults and put anybody giving drugs to kids in jail forever. Driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol is already illegal so that poses no greater problem in the future than it does now.

Legal or illegal makes very little difference to the user except the cost of the product. I don't know a single person who would do drugs if they were legal that does not do drugs now. Wow, if crack was legal I would get me a pipe and lighter right now.

Marijuana is illegal because Randolf Hurst and his buds had lots of timber to sell so they needed Hemp imports stopped. Ya see, Hemp is replenished every year at a fraction the cost of wood and works great for rope and paper. It had 0 to do with dope, that was the excuse not the motive to outlaw it.

Pot and alcohol provide great value to society. It gives ugly folks a chance to get lucky as no sober person would ever---

You had a pretty good post going, until the last line.

yep you are right charlie I'll go back and edit it out.

Thanks, and I'm still look'n forward to meeting you.
That is, unless you wimp out and move down south before I can,
like XHD is doing!

I did get in a 3 hour ride last Sat., although the last 1 was
in the rain.

Uncle Charlie

we'll get together this summer charlie no dought about it.
It I got my bke so dern late in the season. Big Poppy says hes going to the toy makers sunday btw.

I guess I missed you last year at the Brit Rally.
Maybe I'll see you at Toymakers.
Uncle Charlie

I'm with satxron make them all legal, make them cheap,drug related crime goes away, prison overpopulation goes away, which means early release and outragious plea deals for violent offenders goes away, addicts will use cheap drugs to death, those users that choose not to go that path can get rehab financed with a small fraction of the hundreds of millions we spend on the ever failing war on drugs. driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or while impaired is the same whether the source of impairment is legal or not, blood level is irrelavent, if you can,t pass a roadside arobics test you are busted. I don't use drugs, not because they are illegal but because I prefer to enjoy life with a clear mind. what time is the ct gang going to toy makers sun?

Charlie: Well I definatly plan to visit the Toy Makers this summer. Looks like my dreamt of "big ride" isnt gonna happen (employment issues).

If you mean Brit Jamm yeah I was there, was still ridin honda at the time though. Its gonna be in the same place this summer. About 5 miles from my house. Was thinking about hosting a little get together here for the locals that might go to that ralley. But will have to see what the summer brings, And heck by then there might not be any CT members left. They seem to be droppin lkie flies.

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I'll ask this again: How does a cop determine the "legal limit" when a driver is stoned?

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Cops use more than a brethalizer to determine dunkeness. So they would have to use their judgement like they do already.

Also, just because it is legal doesn't mean that everyone will start using it. There are plenty of people who don't drink.

Also, I think a lot of "drunk driving" incidences aren't necesarily just alcohol related. They just don't always have a way of differentiating which drugs were taken, or maybe if they re-named it "inebriated driving" incidences, it would be more accurate.

I didn't drink a thing till I was 22, never smoked pot (but had plenty of friends who did) and still don't drink more than a few at a time. But I try to stay realistic about it!

Personal opinions. It's been over twenty years, but;

Don't legalize, but decriminalize marijuana - I would enjoy a relaxing smoke every now and then without risking a trip to the underworld to purchase.

Cops do have the best dope. Trust me on this. I've bought it from them and they have taken it from me.

Alcohol has killed more people than Marijuana. I've had to break up too many fights, domestic disturbances and been to too many funerals.

If you're impaired (regardless of the substance), you shouldn't be on the road and if caught, you should go to jail. Period.

Cocaine: I'd go broke (for a second time) if it was legal.

Don't make talishar mad guys. Since I live in the same town as her I'm sure she's getting cabin fever. More snow coming tonight. As for cannabis, it's just a big waste of time and money. Tommy

You gonna eat that Twinkie?

Wow I remember that..

Yes I have cabin fever. No, I'll only shoot the ground hog, not fellow Triumph riders. Basically I have no opinion on legalization. Just wanted to point out anything can be abused, and alot of people put others at risk.
If it makes anyone feel better (alot of you may cringe) the other day at work I had to flush a HUGE bud that was confiscated from a patient. I bet is was three inches long and two around. There, I've done my part for removing drugs from the street. For those who do.....smoke and enjoy, just don't let it rule your life.
My drug of choice.......My Speedmaster!!!

On a lighter side I was just watching the Tutles (OCC) shot RC model airplanes out of the sky with shotguns.

I grew up in the sixties and was right in the middle of all that S**T. When I went to high school you either drank or you where a (POT HEAD). Never really bothered me if someone smoked dope or dropped acid. I do remember you could by a (dime bag) for five bucks through and Budwiser sold for $1.25 a six pak. Ripple was .85 per bottle and tangera was a buck, Boones Farm was big and so was Mad Dog 20/20.

I was good at making swamp water as we called it a little from every bottle in the house then mixed with soda. My old man drank gin and scotch and VO what a combo, spent many a Friday night double over heaving swearing I will drink again !!!

Oh yeah I almost forgot never did smoke dope tried it and never liked it did acid once and saw the open oven at a muffin shop singing and spitting out muffins freaked my young a** out and never did it again.

Settled on Scotch at a young age and tore up my liver pretty good by the time I was in my 30's and gave that up.

Really grew to like Vicodin ES when I broke my back, but OD on the stuff once which really scared the S**T out of me and never realized how hooked I was on that stuff until I went to quit the (legal precribed) stuff.

Now I just enjoy an (occassional beer and a good single malt now and then) and the natual high of riding my bike on a warm spring day enjoying the colors and the smell of fresh flowers and the trees in the air.

That's my confesion and I'm sticking to it.