Amen. I'm with you. I just spent the last hour cleaning ice 2 inchs thick off the roof of my van and the wipers were fronzen in a block of ice. Starting it up and letting it run did'nt do it, I had to use the hot water trick, and it is going down to 15 tonight. And this is what 4 or 5 days since it iced. Its enough. We usually get a warm up and everything softens and melts.I would much rather have had real snow.