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Our company left SOCAL 16 years ago after being acquired by Dover Corp.....and most of the Socal employees (Union) had to hit the streets of LA in search of other work. Some did come to Tucson and their wages were frozen for some time and those of us hired here in Tucson started at poor wages. All of that (I dont do windows crapola) that union workers typically flaunt went away with the Southern Az wind and heat. Wage scales improved quickly though.

Unions represent the death of improvement and innovation in business today. Look at the auto industry in this country. They are getting their tails handed to them while they pay people exorbitant wages to scrub the floors. I honestly believe that unions as a viable entity are on the way out if not halfway out the door to obscurity.

Local Raytheon union (machinists) went on strike locally last fall for three months before getting a contract that was nowhere close to what they wanted. In fact the impact to Raytheon missile systems locally was small if any in terms of slowing production. In fact Raytheons fourth quarter earnings skyrocketed.

Those people stayed out nearly three months getting whatever the union provided and I know that what they won in the end was not worth the effort and loss of personal revenue they endured.

We have no union here at our company but we have fair and fully equitable hiring practices and wage scales are reviewed yearly and compared to other companies locally. Benefits are good and good workers can stay as long as they want.

Equal opportunity and treatment laws make the need for unions simply silly.

After all if you are really treated poorly and denied equal opportunity, or subjected to unfair hiring practices, or feel that you are unfairly terminated all you need to do is be aware of what you can do to document these things and seek legal recompense

Trust me supervisors and managers in this day and age must follow a fine line and be careful not to cross it when it comes to disciplining a worker or terminating someone for cause. All the T's have to be crossed and the paper documentation all in order..counseling , efforts to help, et al.