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My '05 TBA has been sitting now for periods of over 7 days since the temps have plunged below the 45 mark. I went last week to start her up, and she barely turned, then made a "clicking" sound, as if a relay was clicking. She did eventually start, but took around 10 punches of the start button, as if there was no fuel with the choke pulled. Put battery on "trickle" charge, same result yesterday with full charge, very hard to start, regardless of choke position, but does fire after battery is nearly depleted. Charging system producing 14.8 volts at idle, battery must be going bad only after 9 months.....Is the battery covered under my warranty? I think it should be, even if it's for only a year....
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Mark being as you are in the simi frigid northernesk southland of upper Georgia try turning the key on and waiting 5 minutes so the carb heaters can do their job. Hopefully it is a simple as that. No? Then think about the last mod you made and perhaps, 'undoing' it.
Edited: Yeah, undo the son of the freak. OK. Look at the carb forward rubbers, all the vacumn port nipples and ensure the wires are hooked up to the carbs snuggly. Try starting it without any choke. Make sure you aren't flooding it out. Those bigger jets you installed coupled with colder weather and maybe a vacumn leak could all be interrelated. Your throughput is much greater now. The enricher perhaps is of lesser consequence.
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If the problem is slow cranking, check your battery connections first. Sounds like a corroded/loose wire.
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I forgot to plug my battery tender back to the battery after working on the bike and it drained to the point I had one bad cell. I had the same problem as you until I purchased a battery from Brent and made sure It was connected to the tender every time I park the bike.......Angelis
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My bike's an '03, and I got the battery tender when new. I hate to admit it, but I never even plugged the thing in. The bike is stored in my Mom's garage, which is not heated, but rarely goes below 32f. It has sat for weeks, or even months, at a time without attention, with no appearent ill effects.
I consider myself lucky in this respect, But plan on replacing it over the winter.
My OEM batt in my p/u only lasted 1 year. Uncle Charlie
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It very well could be the battery. I had an 11 month old battery when I got to NC in October. It was COLD when I got there and even after leaving the bike on for a few minutes, all I got was a couple of cranks and then click, click when hitting the start button. Replaced the battery and everything has been fine since.
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Moe, the carbs have not been modified at all, they are stock. The only mod I have done to the bike is removing 2 stages from each pipe, and removing the "snorkel" from under the seat. I think you are correct in advising me to let the carb heaters do their job, I completely forgot about that....I think about the headlight being on and how much that is draining the battery, and try to start her immediately....It does seem to respond better the longer the ignition is on....Will get another battery and rear tire before coming down to the Florida Greet and Meet in January.....look forward to seeing you there...Mark.
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I too have an '03 with the original battery and its still cranking strong. However, I start and run mine at least twice a week and have never used a tender.
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try turning the key on and waiting 5 minutes so the carb heaters can do their job.
Moe or anyone,
Maybe this deserves a seperate thread, but I've never seen a good description of carb heaters, related to how long they should be "turned on" to accomplish their purpose prior to starting? I realize there are variables affecting a stock answer.
JH
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plug my battery tender back to the battery
Angelis, What is a battery tender? I still have my 5 year old stock battery. Am I supposed to tenderize it?
Just kidding. I've been real lucky with my battery. I am planning a big order with Brent in January, and a new battery is one item.
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Nope, fully charged battery (green LED), switched on ignition, waited 3 minutes, pulled out choke, punched start button, got 2 revolutions, then "click click click". Pushed in choke knob 1/2 way, spun easier, then fired and started. Put meter on battery, 14.3 vdc at idle. Battery is toast. I remember now, wifey rode her to work a couple of months ago, left the ignition on all day, neighbor "jumped" with pick-up truck. I think this is the problem.....$136 for a new Yuasa....PERFECT.
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Nope, fully charged battery (green LED), switched on ignition, waited 3 minutes, pulled out choke, punched start button, got 2 revolutions, then "click click click". Pushed in choke knob 1/2 way, spun easier, then fired and started. Put meter on battery, 14.3 vdc at idle. Battery is toast. I remember now, wifey rode her to work a couple of months ago, left the ignition on all day, neighbor "jumped" with pick-up truck. I think this is the problem.....$136 for a new Yuasa....PERFECT.
You can eaisly show good voltage with a bad battery. What you wont retain is amperage, and thats what you need to crank it over and eliminate the "clicking". Id go for the knew battery. Good luck
Erwin 05 America
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$136 for a new Yuasa
You are paying double. Look around a bit more.
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$69 for the "interstate" equivalent local, pickin it up today.
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My bike has also become hard to start in the winter....heres the question...my Meta Alarm disables the bike after 30 seconds, so will that override the warm up you guys suggest??.
I shall be pulling the plugs to check them, is there anyting else I should be looking at- the battery seems fine and turns the bike over no probs, it just takes about 10 goes in the cold!(1C=33.8F- last year it started no probs in lower temps!!)
if faulty, are the carb heaters expensive/easy to replace?
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just thinking about the Alarm question- the front light remains on, so perhaps it wont affect the 5 minute heat up before initial start...
please feel free to chime in with other checks I should carry out, costs and ease of fitment of hearters etc though!
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neighbor "jumped" with pick-up truck.
That's usually the kiss of death for a motorcycle battery, especially if the engine is running on the live vehicle.
With a good battery that can spin the engine fast enough, mine starts right up on the 1st or 2nd turn of the crank at full choke (with the clutch in) in mid 20s F temps with no carb warming. To speak the obvious, I try to push the choke back in as far as possible as early as possible to cut down on fuel dilution to the oil, then push it all the way in as soon as practical. I find the Speedmster ready to ride without stalling after 5 minutes of warm up this way. It could be debated that a slower idle will create quicker warm-up times, as less cold air is passing through the engine at slower engine speeds, but we better not go there... I realize too that most automotive engineers seek a lengthy high idle program for cold weather start up, but I believe they absolutely want to avoid stalling in every possible end user scenario, as most would think the vehicle a sh&t box if it stalled within the first ten minutes of start up, but I'm rambling now. (I miss the days of cars and trucks with choke cables, but then again, I'm old enough to remember starter buttons on the floor near the throttle pedal, and we'd rich out the mix with a few pumps on the pedal. Ah, those were the days or maybe not)
Maybe it's just me, but I wonder about the headlight drawing down the battery while warming the carbs. I could be wrong. The carbs shouldn't ice up at idle or high idle anyway. I don't believe there's enough air velocity past the venturis even at high idle to cause icing. But hey - that's just me...
My '05 needed a battery a couple months ago as well. Those little batteries apparently have very little tolerance for abuse via cage jump starts and leaving lights on, both of which I did to the old battery, the jump when in time of need.
My days of running alongside a 900 cc bike and then jumping up on to it to start it (over the sissy bar no less) are long gone. Although if I decide to try this, someone might want to film the process and send it to "America's Funniest Home Videos."
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I think its just the cold weather! Me and my dad have two bikes in the same garage an America and a Speedmaster and if its cold we have to crank the snots out of them to start them. We have tryed all kind of times with the carb heaters from one to five minutes NO HELP
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Just an update on my 10 times to start.... I took out the plugs and cleaned them I checked the battery connections..tightening them and then greased them I checked electrical connections and greased them to the carb heaters. I checked(undid)and reconnected the HT leads and greased them sprayed a little WD40 over other connections electrical ...temperature still same... but now she fires up like a beauty first time!  ...now I have no idea which one it was, so I advise you to consider the steps I took..it took about 30 mins  good luck all Regards RodYork
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