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Son of a Freak (long)
#117900 12/12/2006 6:49 PM
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Success! Here’s a pictorial timeline representation of what I did. I plan to put together an Adobe Acrobat document with more detail that can be used as a general guide.

Goals to satisfy were as follows:

1. Build a freak alternative costing far less than +$300
2. Increase performance
3. Use the airbox, keeping all sidecovers and both “graters”
4. Enable easier access to carbs for rejetting
5. Add yet another cool chrome doo-dad (crankcase breather)

Goals achieved (based on above):

1. Total cost was about $115. I could have saved another $25 if I used my own airbox. I chose not to in case I needed to “fallback” or what I put together vibrates apart in the future (unlikely).
2. Sorry, I can’t quantify the performance increase. This would entail a pre- and post- dyno-run to measure gains. I can only provide an opinion as I’m too “thrifty” to pay for dyno runs at this point in my life. I was running a drilled airbox, no snorkel, with drilled K&N drop-in filter, 132 mains, and 142 pilots with Thunderbike pipes. So, I was about as wide-open air-wise as one could get without the freak/freak-like setup. After the “Ghetto Feak” modification and subsequent rejetting to 147.5 mains. I noted a significant increase in decel popping which is a good thing as this signifies a larger amount of air received (the whole intent). I had to open my HD thumbscrews another ¾ turn to enrich things. There is a definite increase in mid-range power with this setup. Not mind numbing considering my previous setup, but quite noticeable.
3. I was able to keep the top of the airbox pretty much intact and use the existing grater/side-cover mount points (top ones). I did have to fabricate two pieces to mount the bottom points. It was actually pretty easy when you take my approach. The pods can be removed from each side (not through the airbox), but the braces I fabricated must be removed first as they are mounted outside the pods. Five minutes to remove/install braces. Additionally, the smaller RC-2340 pods must be used due to their smaller foot print.
4. I was actually able to change mains for the first time without dropping the carbs. I have easier access to the allen head bolts securing the carb bowls with the pods removed and what I chopped away in the aforementioned pictures. Wahoo!
5. Picked up a cool HD crankcase breather. I fabricated a rubber plug allowing our ½ inch breather hose to connect to the 3/8 crankcase breather. Nice shiny bit held securely to the piece with a conventional screw-type o-ring.

Conclusions:
It was worth the time and relative inexpensive cost for the gains noted above.





Regards,

Tom

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77T140V #117901 12/12/2006 9:10 PM
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How quick first gear ends now huh?
Looks nice!
It's Beerthirty now, enjoy!


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Very impressed. I do hope you realise the consequences of your actions though... you've just created a worldwide shortage of used airboxes, and a glut of used aftermarket drop-in filters. Consider me combing ebay for a used one.

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Good job man and thanks for sharing the journey and taking the time and energy to capture all the pics.

You mention being "...about as wide-open air-wise as one could get without the freak/freak-like setup. After the “Ghetto Freak” modification and subsequent rejetting to 147.5 mains..." I would have thought this set-up is just as open as the 'real' Freak ? Can you help me understand why it is not and why, therefore, you wouldn't jet up to a 155 or something ??


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NewJerseyWelsh #117904 12/13/2006 9:26 AM
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To answer my own question..."Smaller Pods". Right ?


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Quote:

Good job man and thanks for sharing the journey and taking the time and energy to capture all the pics.

You mention being "...about as wide-open air-wise as one could get without the freak/freak-like setup. After the “Ghetto Freak” modification and subsequent rejetting to 147.5 mains..." I would have thought this set-up is just as open as the 'real' Freak ? Can you help me understand why it is not and why, therefore, you wouldn't jet up to a 155 or something ??




I had a tough time getting mains locally. I was looking at more than a week shippping delay getting anything at 150+. I also didn't like the idea of paying a shipping rate that costed about what the mains did. Dinqua and EnglishYankee came through for me and provided the 147.5/145 combo. Right now I'm testing the mains (147.5) and may switch my stock 142 pilots to the 145's at a later date. I've read many times to do things incrementally, evaluate, then carry on. I may bump the 147.5's up some later as well to further evaluate performance. Rejetting is much easier (for me) to do now. Doesn't make too much sense to me to pay for lets say 3 dyno runs and not have a handful of jets ready to change to for each run.

This whole modification was more than just performance as I called out above. I forgot to mention that I now have a hidden place to carry stuff (tools etc.), I was never a big fan of the leather strap-on tool pouches.

I feel (subjective without dyno) performance is noticeably better in the mid-range than my previous setup. I'm assuming it's because of the greater gas flow (main size increase) and greater air-intake. Too early to tell how this is going to affect my mileage, but I'll report honestly later on.

I used the RC-2340 pods. Free shipping (at least to the US) at the link provided when you use the "shipping coupon code". They ship indirectly via K&N. K&N did screw up the order and initially shipped only one pod. One phone call to the above link and they made it right with 3-day shipping on K&N's nickel. These smaller pods make it possible to use most of the airbox and all airbox mounting points (two bolts in rear and bushings in the front).

I now believe (probably incorrectly) I've take the 790 as far as it will go without radical changes. "Radical" is subjective, but to me it means: big bore, cam change, carb change, nitrous, port/polishing etc. I'm currently unwilling to go "radical" (famous last words).

When I first bought this bike I had about a week left with my old '77 OIF Bonneville. I thought the OIF could blow this new Hinckley 790 away on the straight-away (my old Norton still could). Now I can't be sure.

Regards,

Tom

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great job! i really like the looks...one of my concerns with the freak has always been not being able to keep the "cheese graters"...i like 'em even though some don't. i'll be anxiously awaiting your complete documentation...thanks again for this!


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I now believe (probably incorrectly) I've take the 790 as far as it will go without radical changes. "Radical" is subjective, but to me it means: big bore, cam change, carb change, nitrous, port/polishing etc. I'm currently unwilling to go "radical" (famous last words).



Yea, sure. Wait about two to three months and you'll be starting to drool and then you will grab ahold of the big tools.


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The "Cheese Graters" Faux Air Filter Covers fit back on with The Freak. Just bought The Freak and they go right back on.


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The "Cheese Graters" Faux Air Filter Covers fit back on with The Freak. Just bought The Freak and they go right back on.




Really??? then i may have been misinformed...i have been led to believe that if you install the freak, the cheese graters don't fit back on! cool!

but, all that aside, Tom's is cheaper...that's a good thing.


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Scrap those Cheese Graters Show them balls off


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The Freak absolutely allows the re-use of the cheese graters. Without more than a cursory look, you cannot tell if there is a Freak or not. btw, the Freak allows for all stock covers to be re-installed. I kinda like the sleeper look!

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Not to be a wet blanket and although I applaud the ingenuity of all you guys coming up with a Freak alternative, I wonder just how much you are really saving considering the time you have to put into them. Is your time not worth money?

After all, you do still have to go through all the steps needed to do a Freak and then the time to mod an airbox, deal with a carb brace, etc.


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Not to be a wet blanket and although I applaud the ingenuity of all you guys coming up with a Freak alternative, I wonder just how much you are really saving considering the time you have to put into them. Is your time not worth money?

After all, you do still have to go through all the steps needed to do a Freak and then the time to mod an airbox, deal with a carb brace, etc.




You are absolutely right. I charted out the wifes mensturation cycle and picked "PMS timing". So, instead of curling up in the fetal position in another room with my ears covered, crying "Why dear lord me" with the male dog, I worked on the bike. This way all the complaining is done concurrently.

Actually like you pointed out, part removal/install takes the same amount of time as the freak. The only extra time is in fabrication. It was very refreshing getting away from the computer and that inane television set and doing something constructive. Must be a labor of love, or skip it and pay the man. So, if one does a little "self-research", seeing exactly how much time they watch such classics as "American Idol", "Survivor", and pointless WWW surfing, I'd bet a lot of people would own up to a bunch of wasted time.

Remember also, I fabricated mounts to the outside of the filters, so there is the additional steps of removing/re-installing them when it comes time to service the filters.

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Knowing what I know now I might have attempted this myself. But at the time I got my freak, I was all about something coming ready made with clear instructions!! So I guess it is a matter of preference, got some extra cash and don't have the time? Pay the man. LOVE a good project and have some time? Roll your own.


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bennybmn #117916 12/14/2006 2:02 AM
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First off, I've been following these freakish threads with interest, as I'm considering something similar. I applaud the ingenuity and efforts involved, however, the end product doesn't appeal to me. There's something about a hacked-up airbox.....

I'm thinking about fabricating something modular, perhaps a skeletal framework with all the necessary mounting points and a fabricated box for storage to fit inside, under the seat. I have a spare airbox to take measurements from, but until "Santa" brings me my filters and some other items I can't begin any planning.
I'm not in any hurry, and I don't even know if I'll be successful, but if I am, the entire thing will be made of metal, and it will probably be chrome....


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No doubt on the chrome

It really isn't that complex. Just remember, the airbox has a lot of contours to it that aren't really crucial to fitting in the bike, so if you can look past those, you can probably make something with relatively few bends. And if you make something that attaches to the rear fender, make sure it connects to the front frame work too, cause that will bounce around. Take pics too!! I'm thinking of bending up something on my own just to see if I can, because right now I am not running the left side cover, so I could simplify the stuff I think.


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My version of 'Son of Freak', Ghetto Freak' or my favorite, 'Freakenstein'. Left the chiz graters off intentionally...like the open look.





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Dadgummit!! Looks like my lack of photo posting know-how has sufaced again. Sorry about the thumbnail sized pics. Back to school for me....


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One more time...





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Here's my first draft (and quite possibly final) "talking paper". Bandwidth challenged: Beware it's a little over 2Mb in size, as it's chock-full-o pictures.


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Your "talking paper" obviously took a lot of work to put together so thanks for doing that and sharing both it, and your experiances, pain and pleasure as you went through this. Great job man !


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Dude nice job! I haven't read thru the whole thing but I think I will eventually. Maybe some night I can't sleep

My only suggestion so far is that in the beginning of the document, where you list materials, maybe suggest people use stainless hardware. Coincidentally, I find it easier to find stainless stuff at the local guy hardware store rather than the big guy.


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Quite a labor of love (and "frugality"). Well done!

Benny, put this in the "Tech Vault" eh? I'm tired....


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Oh poor baby...


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