For a pic of the bare frame go to http://www.bitterendchoppers.com/FrameSales.html and go to the bottom of the page. I can answer any questions about this frame as I am the builder. In addition, we are doing quite a bit of machining and fabrication to make it all fit together, so can answer questions there also. [image]http://www.bitterendchoppers.com/FrameSales.html[/image]