panda, not flaming Keith, just making an observation. He may build great bikes, Triumphs included, but may not be an engine or carbs man. He may another guy who does that while he does frames, design, fabrication, etc... Same goes for setting records, you can be great driver in Nascar for instance, but not be a very good wrench at all. So, yes, the credentials sound good, but may not tell the whole story. I've bounced several things off of Pat in years past, and he's always been spot on with the recommendations. I've got a good Triumph shop, and they recommended 120's when I rejetted and went to Bubs, I told them go with 130's(or is it 135's I don't remember right now), and they called me afterwards to say that I (Pat!!) was right and they had to re-rejet the carbs after 120's were lean. I've been lurking around here for 3 1/2 years and about the highest I've seen anyone go was 160's with no shims and that was on the Freak.