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Dec. 7, 1941
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...a day that will live in infamy...65th anniversary thereof. I'm quite surprised that this wasn't posted by someone before me...

I guess this is expected to be the last anniversary attended by PH survivors...(every 5 years) ...by 2011, they'll either be too old to make the journey, or maybe no longer alive...end of an era.


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I won't forget and I won't let others around me forget either.


"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Robert Heinlein
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Not likely I'll forgett either...one of the guys in my band is a Iwo Jima vet. Not many of any of them left from WW II

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We still have a few (damm few) WW I vets left

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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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...the last American WW I vet just died yesterday...




just on that note, we still have 3 Canadian WWI vets left, 2 are 106 and 1 is 105...out of about 620,000 who served! Our govt has approved a state funeral for the last one when he dies...


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My 86 year old Dad came to live with me and my son over the Thanksgiving weekend. I asked him today about what he was doing back on that day and what he thought about Pearl Harbor being bombed. He said he was living at home with his 5 brothers and 3 sisters and parents, on a farm in Ill. and was working as a brakeman on the railroad. He and everyone especially the farmers were outraged and thought the US should go after Hitler and the Japanese. All 5 brothers were drafted and fortunately all 5 came back home. My Dad was stationed in Germany and because of an accounting background in college worked in an office during the war. He said the only action he saw was being shot at by a sniper when returning to his apartment from the base.

One intersting story that he told me was that at the end of the war there were RR flatbeds full of equipment returning to the states. He said he and his 2 buddies were eyeing a car full of MP motorcycles that had been sitting there a while. He and his friends unloaded 3 of the MC's and used them 4 or 5 months. He said his rational was that they were going to give them back and the Army was just going to scrap them anyway. He said he did not remember what brand they were but they had a hand shifter on the left. He also remembered there was an Autobahn near the base. I asked him if they opened them up and he just smiled. He asked me not to tell anyone about this and I told him I thought the statute of limitations was probably up on it and I was just telling my friends on this site and they would probably understand.


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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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Yeah. Thought the PC'ers would whine. But hey, in college every December 7 we would have a kamikaze party. Pearl Harbor Day. Too bad we have another day as well. What to use as a remembrance tool every September 11th? Maybe a Pua'a feast?


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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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There were 37 sets of brothers serving on the USS Arizona the morning of December 7. 23 sets were lost. Of those 23 sets only 4 individuals were recovered and identified. 4 of every 5 crewmen were lost on the Arizona.

I have posted before, but will re-post on this occasion. The day "American Innocence" died. A story from the WEE VEE.

They Will Always Be Remembered

Jack Miller and his shipmate, Clifford Olds joined fellow sailor John
Szawerda for a night at the "Monkey Bar". It was December 6, 1941 in
Pearl City, Oahu, and Miller and Olds were on liberty from the USS West
Virginia. A barmaid snapped their picture and offered it for sale. "What
a scam" they thought-keep it. Within 10 hours, this photo was to be the
last reminder of peace and the terrifying beginning of Clifford Olds
demise.
The "WeeVee" was moored next to the USS Tennessee and just ahead of the
USS Arizona. The choicest of targets, she took 9 torpedo hits December
7, 1941. Her port side was literally blasted off. The USS Oklahoma, just
ahead of the WV, suffered similar wounds and immediately capsized, but
BB48 was of a more advanced water-tight construction. The fast thinking
of Lt. Claude Ricketts (THE hero of this ship) prevented the Battleship
from turning over. Instead, she settled in the mud on an even keel. This
was accomplished by closing all hatch compartments and counter-flooding
the starboard side of the ship in a procedure called "set zed".
Every sailor knew fate could place them in a doomed area to be drowned
like rats. Old Timers would tell 17 and 18 year old "boots" that if
that time came "just inhale water quickly and get it over". This, the
"grizzled Ones" claimed, was preferable to a slow death in a pitch-black
void. For Clifford Olds(20),Ronald Endicott(18) and
Louis"Buddy"Costin(21), this would tragically come to pass.
Trapped in the forward fresh water pumping station known as area A-111,
their fate was sealed when "set zed" was announced after the first
Japanese torpedo struck shortly before 8am. Sinking straight down rather
than "turning Turtle" enabled hundreds to escape. Those in the lower
compartments were drowned, but Olds, Endicott and Costin were alive and
well in their air-tight compartment at the bottom of the ship. They did
not know what had happened, nor the extent of the carnage above them.
Above deck, the Captain was disemboweled by a bomb blast and the
Arizona's explosion 50 yards aft rained "Dante's Inferno" onto the WeeVee.
Over 100 died in every way possible. BB48 sank into the Harbor amid
burning oil. She burned for 30 hours.
When her fires were extinguished late Monday Dec. 8, Guards were posted
on the shoreline of Ford Island, next to "Battleship Row". Jittery over
rumors of invasion, Sentries at first didn't hear the noise. WeeVee
Marine Bugler Dick Fiske recalls: "When it was quiet you could hear
it...bang, bang, then stop. Then bang, bang, pause. At first I thought
it was a loose piece of rigging slapping against the hull". Then I
realized men were making that sound-taking turns making noise". After
that night, no one wanted guard duty, but someone had to do it. Bang,
bang. It went on for 16 days, slowing in frequency until Christmas Eve.
Then silence.
Olds, Endicott and Costin were sitting on the harbor floor completely
surrounded by water, 40 feet down. Cutting through the side of the hull
for rescue was out of the question. The smallest of holes in a
pressurized compartment would cause a "blow-out", something Submariners
knew well. Besides, considering the destruction and carnage above, the
problems of three men didn't amount to a "hill of beans" to busy Navy
Brass. All Sailors know they are expendable after "set zed".
Concerned Shipmates pin-pointed their banging as coming from the bow
section, but could do nothing.
Clifford Olds' friend Jack Miller had a sinking feeling Olds was
trapped. He knew the pump station well, as Cliff would often invite him
there for "bull sessions". It was so air-tight, they often closed the
hatch and dared people to hear them cursing wildly inside.
Late Spring 1942 found Navy salvage teams finally getting to work on
the WV.
An Inventive series of tremic cement patches were fitted to her port
side, and enough water pumped out to partially float the once grand
ship. BB48 was nudged across the Harbor into drydock and the grim task
of finding bodies began.
For Commander Paul Dice, compartment A-111 was expected to be like the
rest: Put on gas masks, place some goo into a bodybag and let the
Medical boys worry about identification. They had seen it all, but this
compartment was different. Dice first noticed the interior was dry and
flashlight batteries and empty ration cans littered the floor. A manhole
cover to a fresh water supply was opened. Then he saw the calendar. It
was 12"x14" and marked with big red Xs that ended December 23. Hardened
salvage workers wept uncontrollably as they realized the fate of these
men. Word quickly spread among salvage crews: Three men had lived for 16
days to suffer the most agonizing deaths among the 2800 victims at Pearl
Harbor.
The Navy told their Parents they were killed in the attack on the 7th.
Buddy Costins brother, Harlan, was the first family member to discover
the truth.
He joined the Navy in October of 1942, at age 17 and was assigned to the
USS Tuscaloosa. A 1944 chance meeting with a friend serving aboard the
rebuilt WeeVee brought the awful tale to his attention. It was legend on
BB48. Harlan determined never to tell his family; they had suffered
enough. A brother had died of meningitis at age 9, and their Father had
been killed in a fist fight when shards of bone punctured his brain. The
Navy had sent Costin's Mother a wristwatch, found in his locker. Broken
and water-logged, it was to be Buddy's Christmas gift to her. She had it
restored and wore it until her death in 1985 at age 92. Buddy's sister
didn't find out until 1995, when she read a local story revealing the
sad story.
Duke Olds learned of his brother, Clifford's fate from a cousin who
worked at the Bremerton, Washington Shipyard, where BB48 was rebuilt. It
was legend there too, talked about in hushed tones. He too, never told
his family. Clifford earned $21/month and always sent $18 to his poor
parents. They didn't need to know anything more.
Ron Endicott's Parents last known address was listed in the Aberdeen,
Washington City directory of 1956. No one knows where they went, but it
is assured they never knew either.
Commander Paul Dice mailed the infamous calendar to Chief of Naval
Personnel in Washington, D.C., where it was lost. Bernard Cavalcante
(head of Operational Archives for Navy History), has looked for it for 32
years. It remains elusive. A Seth Thomas 8-day clock, retrieved from the
pump room was taken by Dice, perhaps as a memento. In later years, Dice
donated it to West Virginias Museum at Parkersburg, where it resides
today.
Ronald Endicott and Buddy Costin are buried at the National Memorial
Cemetery Of The Pacific-the "PunchBowl". Clifford Olds remains were
shipped home to Stanton City, North Dakota. All headstones list December
7 as their date of death.
Jack Miller volunteered aboard the USS Lexington and was at sea for two
weeks following the attack, looking for the Japanese fleet. When he
returned to Hawaii, he made a bee-line for the "Monkey Bar" and located
the girl who had snapped their photo "light years" before. She found the
negative and gave it to him for free out of respect. This photograph
shows from left to right: Jack Miller, John Szawerda(?) and Clifford
Olds-Camel cigarette dangling from his care-free fingers. Shipmates, and
our Country are represented in this amazing picture of the last hours of
peace.

-Roger Hare
Auburn,N.Y.

Picture contributed by Don Miller




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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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Yet another group that should NEVER have to pay taxes.
I will NEVER forget!


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I know this has much significance in history,but has it really got any part on a Triumph Motorcycle site?


"You just kinda wasted my precious time..."
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Uh oh here we go....... I'm holding on.......


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I know this has much significance in history,but has it really got any part on a Triumph Motorcycle site?




It has "part" anywhere in the USA!!!!!

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Hey Reido,don't get me wrong,I respect our forebears for their sacrifices as much as anybody else,but it just seems every time I get on here there's that much non-Triumph motorcycle stuff.


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Hey Reido,don't get me wrong,I respect our forebears for their sacrifices as much as anybody else,but it just seems every time I get on here there's that much non-Triumph motorcycle stuff.




Then read the Triumph only sections!!!

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So where are the "war" sections?


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Steve it's a significant day for us yanks, we morn and honor our dead, be kind enough to bear with us a little.


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I know this has much significance in history,but has it really got any part on a Triumph Motorcycle site?



As briefly as I can, and with as much respect as I can afford – It has to do with history, respect, honor, sacrifice and a multitude of other things that are close to the hearts of many. It has nothing to do with controversy, doubt, conjecture politics or religion – its pure fact and importance. Just to ask that question is enough to boil blood and frankly, I would expect more from an Englishman. So, on behalf of those on the site who respectfully acknowledged this event, and more importantly on behalf of those who’s sacrifices in the form of lives and or duty, I politely invite you to kiss my a$$ you thoughtless SOB.

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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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Ryan,
Thank you for that on this anniversary of this horrible event.
Both my parents were Naval Officers in WW2.

Jack,
Ditto, thanks.

Uncle Charlie

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Steve, this is the lounge...pretty much any topic can be discussed in here, as long as it's done respectfully. Also, to any soldier, past or currently serving, and especially to our American brethren, an anniversary of an event such as this is extremely noteworthy. Respect requires us all to remember those who paid with their lives in service to their country and their fellow man (and women, too!)


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BTY,
There're not called "The Greatest Generation" for nothing!

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Hey Reido,don't get me wrong,I respect our forebears for their sacrifices as much as anybody else,but it just seems every time I get on here there's that much non-Triumph motorcycle stuff.




I don't get you wrong, I just see the direction change and signaled before the turn.


However...
To keep it Triumph Motorcycle related...

Do not put a Kamakazie shot into your fuel tank. The bike will sputter a tad bit and then kick you a$$.


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I know this has much significance in history,but has it really got any part on a Triumph Motorcycle site?




YES, YES it does it does!

Much more could be said....
MUCH more shouldn't be


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Oh yeah ...and also

Well stated Barry!

Particularly that last part


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Ryan,
Thank you for that on this anniversary of this horrible event.
Both my parents were Naval Officers in WW2.

Jack,
Ditto, thanks.

Uncle Charlie




Hey UC, you had 2 dads???

Just kidding of course. My dad was a WWII navy vet too.
BTW: If you're into the history of it, I'm in the middle of reading Sea of Thunder, a history of the Pacific naval war from Pearl Harbor to Japan's surrender. It's a good read.

Regards,
Dave


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Well maybe. Not to start trouble but if not for those who served in WWII, this Triumph site might very well be a BMW site if you know what I mean.


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Hey Dave,
Missed you at Toymakers, it was cold in the am.

My dad was a 1st Lt, and rode a suicide shift hd in
the Philipines(sp?).
My mom was also a comissioned 1st Lt, and was an exec.
officer at the Naval Gun Factory in Washington,DC. She
was later transfered to the Brooklyn Navy Yard.
When she quit after 9+ years because they wouldn't transfer
her to CA, where my dad was, she was up for Lt Commander.

My dad passed away about 11 years ago, but my mom is still
going pretty strong for 89.

Hope to get together to ride in the spring.
God Bless America!
Uncle Charlie

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My father was also a WWII Navy vet served on the USS North Carolina (BB 55).


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How to play devil's advocate in one post....

Steve, you have to remember that most of the members here are from America and so this is important to them. As important as the Battle of Britain and the D-Day landings to us. Amongst other events.

WWII was before my parents time. My Grandad was in amongst the first lot to get into Bergen-Belson Concentration Camp. He won't talk about it. I think it scarred in too much to be able to talk about it. The only reason I know he was there is because it was on TV and my dad mentioned it. I wish he would talk about it. Just so that I can attempt to understand. And maybe talk to others in the future when he has passed on so people don't forget and it is never allowed to happen again.
If PH hadn't happened the war would have taken a completely different track, and while we would NEVER have given in, without the support of the US, it would have dragged on and on and on.

Just my humble thoughts....


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Thank You, Gina. You said that in a way that I should have.


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That's ok....

And it's why I'll never be a politician... Too honest and far too polite.


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Three excellent attributes - Honest, polite - AND not a politician


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Well said Gina...about WWII vets not talking too much about it...I mentioned my dad (he passed away 25 yrs ago) was on the USS North Carolina through the entire duration of the war. That ship saw some heavy action. Form the Solomon Islands to Letye gulf to the Marianas "turkey shoot". But he would never talk about it. About the only war stories he ever told was how he and a few of his buddies would manage to smuggle booze on board. And make "torpedo juice".
think the memeories where just to bad to bring up.


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My mother passed away earlier this year. As my sister and I were going through the seeming endless piles of old papers, mostly utility receipts and myriad other things that would (should) have been thrown away years ago, but like many that grew up during the Great Depression, she was loathe to throw out anything, we found a stack of letters written by her brother from Europe during WWII, It looks as though he was there from D-Day 'til the end of the war. He passed a few years ago. I haven't read them yet, but know it will be fascinating. He, like your Grandfather, never talked much about the war. Just that he was in the Corps of Engineers, then change the subject.


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Even in early 1941, before we entered the fray because of this dastardly attack, the USA was ALREADY an industrial giant supplying the English and the Russians with armament galore in which to fight Nazi Germany.(Does the term "Lend Lease" ring a bell?)

Now, I know Ol' Adolf wasn't playin' with a full deck and all, but I'll bet even THAT a$$hole had to remark after hearing of the news of the Pearl Harbor attack...."The Japanese did WHAT??? HOLY CRAP!!! NOW guess who's comin' to this freakin' party, Gentlemen?! I think we may be in "a little trouble" NOW dudes!!!"

(okay...so maybe he didn't say that...like I said, the jerk wasn't playin' with all 52!!!)

Cheers,
Dwight
(note of interest: During WWII(1939[don't forget] to 1945), the CITY of Pittsburgh ALONE produced more steel than ALL of Germany and Japan COMBINED...and those idjuts thought they had a freakin' chance?! HA!!!)

(BTW...I've just returned from a military funeral at the Riverside(CA) National Cemetary, for a veteran(Vietnam) U.S.Navy sailor, friend and fellow NWA employee, AND fellow Triumph rider('03 Sprint), who died at the MUCH too young age of 56 of an inoperable brain tumor last week.....God Speed CARL VAUGHN....you will be missed)

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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
Dwight #116927 12/08/2006 11:16 AM
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This thread is quite in contrast to the prevailing attitude and opinions at Triumph Rat Net. Viewing the USA in a positive light is not welcome over there.

Thanks to those that gave everything at Pearl Harbor.

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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
BanjoBart #116928 12/08/2006 11:49 AM
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Hey banjo you have 4 bikes, all cruisers and two of the same?

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kars #116929 12/08/2006 12:20 PM
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Yep, I ride so much I keep two VTX's so at least one has good rubber and a recent oil change and is ready for a long trip.

I like the Honda Riders Club roadside assistance and the VTX linked brakes.

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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
BanjoBart #116930 12/08/2006 12:32 PM
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Hey Bart,

Can you post a link to that thread on TriumphRat?

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BanjoBart #116931 12/08/2006 12:42 PM
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Quote:

Yep, I ride so much I keep two VTX's so at least one has good rubber and a recent oil change and is ready for a long trip.

I like the Honda Riders Club roadside assistance and the VTX linked brakes.




Your a madman. I ride daily, commuting no less than 70 miles but only one bike. I will get a second just for commuting soon, probably not a cruiser though.
A bunch of friends ride Hondas, Valkyries, vtxs, sabres. Very refined nice riding bikes. They won't let me ride them anymore because I have given some of them roadrash. They are pretty mellow riders, all on their first bikes.

Re: Dec. 7, 1941
SteveEastMids #116932 12/08/2006 2:08 PM
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I used to get upset about all the non-motorcycle stuff in the lounge but now I just go with the flow. You can choose NOT to read whatever you don't want to. (man my grammar sucks) I remember the huge thread on Beer one time, I thought what is that doing here . Remember, Steve has his opinion also. After a day of of reflection and cooling off, I say give him a break. Anyone that likes and rides Speedies and Americas are welcome here. Remember, that's the real reason why Robert started this site.


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Re: Dec. 7, 1941
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RIGHT ON, Pes!

The way I look at it....we ALL have this BA and Speedie "fixation" deep in our soul, but THAT'S just the "common thread" or STARTING POINT in the friendships that we've developed on this site.

So WHAT'S the "shame" of getting to know more about our fellow "addicts" and their 'pinions about the World-At-Large while sittin' 'round the ol' LOUNGE?

Cheers,
Dwight
(yep! I guess you could say it's kind of a "12-step Program" we got goin' on, RIGHT?!)


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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