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Does the wiseco kit include the gasket for the clutch side engine cover? I want to install heavier clutch springs with it, and I would think I'll need a new gasket.
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The kit comes with 2 pistons/ring sets/push rods(grudgeon pins(sp?))
2 sleeves
Both head/jug gaskets
Directions for machine shop are printed on the wrapping paper on the sleeves.
You will need to buy:
Clutch cover gasket
Right side electrical cover gasket
header gaskets (2)
Cam chain tensioner assembly gasket
o-rings (2) for Oil breather tube on front of motor
o-rings (1) for oil line on top of cams
Cam cover oil seals (4) put metal side up when reinstalling them.
Barnett MT-5-4 clutch springs
any out of spec valve shims
A REALLY good T-30 torx socket for removing the cam caps.
Two GOOD torque wrenches - one for the 5-20nM settings, and another for 20-120nM range.
Beer
There are a bunch of small copper washers, but you can just heat them to red-hot then drop em in a cup of water and reuse them.
You can re-use your cam cover gasket too, as long as it is not broken.
Be sure you have plenty of rags and a long magnetic tool, and a helper for putting the new pistons/jugs back on.
Use brake cleaner to clean all the parts you take off, also helps to remove old gasket material (a razor blade is good for them too)
You can wait until the motor is apart to see what you will need to put it all back together. The machine shop wait will leave you plenty of time to get only what you actually need from the dealer.
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thanks Pat! I can't wait to tear into it!
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Thanks for the list Pat. I ordered everything from Bikebandit. My Wiseco kit is on the kitchen table, my oversized valves are at the post office waiting to be picked up, and the motor is coming apart in the morning...
You can bet I'll be frequenting the 'big bore saga' this weekend!
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If you ordered from Bikebandit, you may want to take your time with disassembly. Triumph touch-up paint took 3+ weeks to arive. Of course, the holiday season could have been a factor.
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'77 I had the same experience with the touch-up paint. OTOH, I ordered bulbs for the speedo and tacho through bikebandit, and got them within 2 weeks, took the dealer over a month to get them.
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I'm not too worried about the majority of the gaskets, but since I'm installing bigger valves I had to order new valve seals ($9.00 a piece x 8 = sucks). The machinist can't set the new valves without them...so I'll be following up on my order. Thanks for the heads up guys.
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Talked to bikebandit, they said Triumph parts usually take 7-10 days to ship, which sucks. I keep wanting to put off disassembly especially because the weather may be nice enough to ride tomorrow...I might as well just break it down. I'm gonna steal my brother's SV650 for the next month anyway...
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I'm not too worried about the majority of the gaskets, but since I'm installing bigger valves I had to order new valve seals ($9.00 a piece x 8 = sucks).
$9.00 a peice sounds expensive for valve seals as they are only plastic, I think I paid about $3-4 Aus each when I did mine. Maybe it is the valve guides they are sending you for $9.00?
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the valve guides are not replaceable, they are part of the head on this motor.
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Runner, 3-4 dollars Aussie is equivilent to 9 dollars US.....Angelis
1200CC BIG BORE, W/WISECO PISTONS,.250 STROKED CRANK, PORTED/POLISHED HEADS AND LARGER VALVES, CUSTOM WELDED EXHUAST, DUAL 42MM MIKUNI CARBS.
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You may want to check on that. It appears that at todays (2/3/07) rate:
4 Australian Dollar = 3.10196 US Dollar
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Ha, ok then my mistake! I guess it just sounds cheaper for us Aussies! 
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$US9 is about $Aust11.68 at exchange rate of $Aust1 = $US0.77 this means that you got a good deal runner!! Unusual for us in Oz to get a better deal than those in the US.
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Thanks for the list Pat. I ordered everything from Bikebandit. My Wiseco kit is on the kitchen table, my oversized valves are at the post office waiting to be picked up, and the motor is coming apart in the morning...
'm not too worried about the majority of the gaskets, but since I'm installing bigger valves I had to order new valve seals ($9.00 a piece x 8 = sucks). The machinist can't set the new valves without them...so I'll be following up on my order. Thanks for the heads up guys.
Why the oversized valves, what improvement will this make or am I just being a little slow here for a change
I guess it will improve performance and also get shut of the gases quicker... 
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Larger valves just let's the motor flow more fuel/air...= more potential horsepower. It's about the only thing I didnt do on my bike when I went with a 904 kit/carbs/etc...
...wish I would have when I had it apart.
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OK, so I am on roll now....
Can the original cams be improved or is it a rip out and performance built cams put in.. The reason for asking is I bought a cylinder head complete with valves, cams and even the AI....
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I did heaps of chasing and calling around for cams when I did my big bore, but the $$$ cost for replacing them was simply not worth it for me. Best original cams for our motor are the 790cc America cams.
If your on a no limit budget, go for the BC or Thunderbike cams and valves and hang on! 
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But the Thunderbike cams are just for the 865 motors, I think they are pretty much the same as the standard 790 cams.
Phil just had his big bore done, finally, and he advanced his exhaust cam by one tooth. I would love to see a dyno on that.
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Cant understand why Triumph did not use valve guides in our cylinder heads
This will make it very expensive as the head has to be replaced, does this mean triumph will of course will keep supplying these for 30 or 40 years
Ray(UK)
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I am going to dyno her as soon as I get broken in and the oil changed back to synthetic.
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If your on a no limit budget, go for the BC or Thunderbike cams and valves and hang on!
I think BC and thunderbike are full of it RE: their cams.
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Cant understand why Triumph did not use valve guides in our cylinder heads
This will make it very expensive as the head has to be replaced, does this mean triumph will of course will keep supplying these for 30 or 40 years
You can get new valves machined with larger valve stems, then hone the valve guides in the head to fit, instead of buying a new head. This will be about 1/10th the cost.
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But the Thunderbike cams are just for the 865 motors, I think they are pretty much the same as the standard 790 cams.
Phil just had his big bore done, finally, and he advanced his exhaust cam by one tooth. I would love to see a dyno on that.
Your probably right about TB cams. I was talking to Graeme for a while about them but he ended up saying that I would only get a little bit of extra torque down low in the rev range as their dyno chart says.....but there dyno probably includes needle changes / porting etc. that gives them the extra torque.
I too want to see what advancing the exhaust cam will do on the dyno!
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Can our cylinder heads be bored to retro fit aftermarket valve guides? I guess one of us will find out after 100K miles or so....
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Can our cylinder heads be bored to retro fit aftermarket valve guides?
I guess one of us will find out after 100K miles or so....
Yes, no problem.
When we rebuilt Jaymos blowed up beast, my machine shop made new valve guides no sweat.
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and he advanced his exhaust cam by one tooth. I would love to see a dyno on that.
Yup, I'd like to see this too. Preferably before for a baseline, and then after to compare. Have you(Pat) or sweatmachine seen any of these over on the Delphi forum where Bill Gately hangs out? I think there's been more talk of these exhaust cam advances over there than any other Triumph forum.
edit: and yes I realize that the 790 motors in our bikes have different valve overlap numbers than the 790 Bonnie motors. There was a guy over there though that had a computer sim program and he plkugged in the numbers for just about every variation of the cams in both Bonnie motors and our bikes.
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Can our cylinder heads be bored to retro fit aftermarket valve guides?
I guess one of us will find out after 100K miles or so....
Yes, no problem.
When we rebuilt Jaymos blowed up beast, my machine shop made new valve guides no sweat.
Thanks Dinqua, it's good to know this has been done already!
Cheers,
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Can our cylinder heads be bored to retro fit aftermarket valve guides?
I guess one of us will find out after 100K miles or so....
Yes, no problem.
When we rebuilt Jaymos blowed up beast, my machine shop made new valve guides no sweat.
Hey Pat silly question but what was the charge to cut and fit new valve guides to our heads, compared to buying a new cylinder head
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and he advanced his exhaust cam by one tooth. I would love to see a dyno on that.
Yup, I'd like to see this too. Preferably before for a baseline, and then after to compare. Have you(Pat) or sweatmachine seen any of these over on the Delphi forum where Bill Gately hangs out? I think there's been more talk of these exhaust cam advances over there than any other Triumph forum.
edit: and yes I realize that the 790 motors in our bikes have different valve overlap numbers than the 790 Bonnie motors. There was a guy over there though that had a computer sim program and he plkugged in the numbers for just about every variation of the cams in both Bonnie motors and our bikes.
I wouldnt advise doing this mod to the 865cc 270* engines.
There is only 7* overlap in these motors. 1 tooth of advance = 15* of advance. The reason this mod work's so well on the 790 bonnie motor's is because of the extreme overlap in the valve timing. I also would not expect much difference on paper regarding a dyno report doing this mod.
If there's 1 thing I've learned modding my bike difference's felt by the seat of the pant's and differenc's seen on paper are 2 different things.
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Definitely a 790 motor mod. Here's a dyno run Jojje posted showing stock in red, and exhaust one tooth advance in light blue. This is a 360 motor. 
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Ray, When Steve Sealy did Jaymo's head he charged me $300 to replace both sleeves, rebuild the head which included building four new valve guides and to weld and repair several large chunks in the top of the head and such. And he also welded a small hole in the bottom of the case too. No price for the exact job. But I was just told by someone else that Steve quoted him $250 to do an over-sized valve job on his new big bore job. And why, Mr cheap as doggie doo head buyer, do you care? You have a full spare head to play with. 
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