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I rode her down to reserve on Saturday morning.
Swung into a near by Mobile station...
10 bucks and change to fill up with 89 Octane.
Still, not as bad as my Grand Cherokee. ($50 with 87 octane)

What are you folks shellin' out these days?

Way too damned much!

Yeah. It ticks me off. I like to drive the bike around, but I can drive the gov't car for free. When it was cheaper to fill it up, it didn't bother me.

Perhaps building new refineries, drilling for oil in ANWR, off the coast of CA and up and down the seaboard off both coast actually, would help to bring things down considerably. End the stranglehold the enviromentalists have on the Dem Party and the RINOs in the GOP. Plus, push hard for ethanol, made not only from corn, but from beans, grass, sugarcane and other sources. The resources are extremely abundant, and then we may be able to export. It will boost the ag sector, readjust the world wealth as we would change the trade exchange equations, and internally, farm land would be worth more, as would crop prices. Simple, but needs action.

That's about £5.55

My America costs around £12.00 ($21.60).
The ST costs around £17.00 ($30.60).

You still peeved?

The British pound definitly needs work. Just got back from a 5 hour trip yesterday and total round trip was $30 US dollars. Average per gal $2.85 @ 89 octane. The highest fill up was $9.00. Adey when you come to the rally you might enjoy a little cheaper than British Petrol.
The state of Indiana is in the process of building 23 more Ethanol plants. There's so much corn here they might as well burn it.
Steve

I was wondering if the Europeans were going to chime in. I visited Iceland last year and decided not to pay attention to the price (of anything; pricey little place). Of course I was driving a Yaris, but it's still a big island... I recommend going if you are the adventurous type. Good folks up there.

I wish it was that cheap....

Iceland??
I love Hveragerdi!
Gonna go back someday

Henery, I wish I believed that simply building more refineries would help. Shoot, why not build more in Mexico, where there is no real EPA, I'm quite sure the Mexican government would turn a blind eye to any environmental concerns for a slice of the refineries profits. Sorry, to me, that's just another excuse by oil companies (who seem to change excuses on a monthly basis, hmmm, let's see, it was instabiliy in the Mid-East, Katrina, instability in the Mideast II, instability in Iraq, instability in Iran/Lebanon/Palestine, refining capacity, the threat of trouble from somewhere/something) to keep prices high now that they've seen we'll pay them. Hell, why should they drop prices, people are still buying SUV's and shelling out $3 a gallon. Complain we might, but it's not like we can go to someone else for fuel, now can we? What you and I and the rest of us will do is:

US$10 is roughly AU$13.10. It costs me about AU$17 - AU$20 to fill up these days. Still a lot cheaper than in the UK... but you guys in the US have about the cheapest gas (and the highest average wage btw) anywhere except the middle east. Yeah, $10 for a tank of gas sounds real tough.

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The state of Indiana is in the process of building 23 more Ethanol plants. There's so much corn here they might as well burn it.

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Hmmm! LIQUOR! I bet they poison it.

Oil companies don't control oil prices any more than farmers control corn, pork and rutabaga prices. Certainly they are happy to get more for their product when the price goes up but they also take it in the shorts when the prices go down. When grain or pork belly prices go up do farmers get blamed for ripping off the consumer?

Back in 2001 when gas went below a dollar a gallon oil companies were living off reserves, now they are making big profits. But, if you look at the return on investment, it’s not out of line with what other industries make. Everyone loves to hate them but what are your alternatives? Without profits, investors (including most of your retirement funds!) take their money elsewhere and companies eventually go belly up. Would you like congress to run the oil business instead?

I paid $2.62 a gallon yesterday to fill up my Blazer and the lawn mower/snow blower can. When I ran that through the consumer price index calculator it was less than the 33 cents a gallon I paid in 1972. I don’t like paying today’s fuel prices but I don’t like paying more than twice as much for a new Triumph than I paid for my first new car either. I respond by riding the bike as much as possible. Yesterday was the first time I put gas in the Blazer since May. My heart does NOT go out to those people driving Hummers, Super Cab 4x4 pickups and Corvettes when they whine about gas prices.

Motorcycle and car prices went up a similar percentage, as did milk, ice cream, chocolate bars, bread, chicken pot pies and porterhouse steaks. Are all those businesses ripping us off too?

Sorry, big shock, I disagree. I keep hearing this argument from the Wall Street guys on Fox, and it still makes no sense to compare rutabegas, or any other crop, to oil, it really is like comparing apples to oranges! I can live without rutabegas, corn, and a lot of other things when the prices are jacked up, but ya know what, our country is not set up for us to live without oil, or some similar alternative. Sure, I could make my 7 year old walk the 3 miles to school, and tell my wife to stop her whining and walk the 2 miles to work. Why not? I drive vehicles that all get excellent mileage (by todays standards), and still feel like I'm taking it in the shorts every time I put a nozzle in my tank. I drive only to/from work/store/school, nothing else. I don't ride my bike for anything except to/from the same places, because the extra $1.50 a gallon since I bought the bike is eating my bank account dry. Should they offer a bus/commuter train, or heck even put a bike path/sidewalk so I don't have to share the road with 18 wheelers (sorry, I don't mind being on a bike on the highway if I've got a CHANCE to outrun the cars/trucks!) I'd do even more to save gas. Do I place all the blame with oil companies? NO, also speculators who drive prices up. But, PLEASE, do not insult us by telling us how rough the oil companies have it in rough times, because in the 100+ years of the Oil Industry, I think we can count those "rough times" on one hand!

Does anyone else sense an impending thread shutdown? This could be interesting

I don't.

I see a couple of guys arguing about oil. Nothing political, religious, inflammatory, or antagonistic.

Argue and debate!!!!

We're at about $3.05 for low test, $3.29 for high test.

Does the fact that, once inflation is taken into account, prices are about where they were thirty years ago matter at all? Market forces kept oil prices low for years, now that short term demand is catching short term supply should we repeal the law of supply and demand because it doesn’t suit us?

How many other products did not go up a comparable amount? With the exception of those items such as electronics and computers where there have been technological revolutions and products where actual production is now being done in Chinese slave labor camps, almost everything has gone up a similar amount.

Oil companies are like drug companies. We all want their products but we don’t want to pay what they cost.

Regualar (89 octane) in Austin,Texas is from $2.78 to $2.90 depending on where you buy it.

I read in the Austin newspaper(a fountain of knowledge) that it takes more energy to refine a gallon of ethanol than that gallon of ethanol produces. The article also said that all of the corn in the US would only supply a tiny fraction of our needs? Anyone know if this is true?

Will our bikes run the current ethanol mix without damage to the machine?

If everyone rode the bikes more our consumption would go down... generally speaking when consumption goes down, prices go down. I for one am trying to ride mine as frequently as possible!

And Greg, if you give me any more crap I'm sending this guy over to "Take You Out."

All the BS aside. There are very good sites
out there on making this stuff.
You can get a permit, no DON'T drink it,
INDY 500 runs the stuff! All that and more!
Even solar stills!!! Cost to much to make?
Don't think so Homer!!!

The most per gallon I've paid was $3.49/gal in West Palm Beach on A1A. Most places are about $3.04/gal. 91/92 octane. Total paid today for fill up = $10.28. I hate to think what I'd be paying today if I still drove my diesel Suburban with it's 45 gallon tank!

When you consider how many US companies can afford to build refineries, but don't, it fairly ruins the big oil doesn't want to expand refinery capacity theories.

Among the hurdles to expanding US refinery capacity are the avalanche of NIMBY lawsuits that get in the way.

Increasing US storage capacity for petroleum products has become 'against the law' as well. Roll into New Haven city hall and ask for a permit to build x million gallons of heating oil storage on Long Island sound. You'll get laughed out the door.

As a petroleum transporter, believe me when I tell you that when the degree days hit the fan, New England is basically out of heating oil due to storage constraints. Only those oil dealers with contracts lift product under those circumtances. The Winter of '99 / 2000 was an open demonstration of this looming crisis.


An insider at Velero told me the reason no one builds in Mexico is that the fear is the Mexicans would basically seize the refineries, [edit > ] via nationalizing the assets.

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Does the fact that, once inflation is taken into account, prices are about where they were thirty years ago matter at all?

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Hmmm, when pretty much every major oil company is reporting RECORD HIGH quarterly and annual profits, NOPE! It does get stuck in my craw quite a bit though!!! I'm very glad that I'm making somebody on Wall Street rich while my family is having to suck it up to make ends meet! Gee, that does make me feel good now, when I look at it that way!

Larry, I have a cat at home that we've nicknamed Foolish, for lack of a real name(we'll just say she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but sure in entertaining). But I'll name her Larry from now on, if that's OK with you?


Does that count as lip?

Sorry, but I'm in the pretty foolish camp too in that case.

If price adjusted oil is the same as it was 30 years ago that means you are paying exactly the same dollar price for your tank of gas, in REAL TERMS, as you were 30 years ago. Come on - you're smart enough to work that out. The dollar price may be higher, but it is just as AFFORDABLE.

If your wages haven't gone up in 30 years then you have more serious and immediate problems that require giving your boss a good kicking.

Oil companies are making more profits because the VOLUME of gas they pump these days is HUGE compared to 30 years ago.. the outright margins per gallon haven't moved that much.

Anyway, who runs the g0ddam oil companies.. oops no, I'll be locked...

Now say sorry to Larry, he was only trying to educate ya!!!

Richb,
No I won't say I'm sorry, he threatened me with an obviously vicious attack dog first!!!

haha.. I tried filling mine with diesel.. but that's another story on another website