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Another couple, the wife and I went to the local Comedy Club last Friday night, and one of the comics got a great laugh from the crowd out of the explanation of this question.
It seems it's really pretty simple.
If Americans followed the "Beautiful Sport" AND it's worldwide competition, and in order to know where all these people who love playing this sport come from........we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!!
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(hey...all my fellow Yanks...don't blame ME...that comic SAID IT) 
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it is common knowledge that americans know nothing about world
hmmmmmmm even here in uk there were few people they asked me where Poland is !!!!!!!!!!
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we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!!Guess you have seen those TV ads about how americans are geographically challanged  According to a recent National Geographic Survey, almost 25% of the respondants (between 18 and 25 years old) couldn't find the Pacific Ocean or Gulf of Mexico on the map. Half couldn't even find New York!  Forget about trying to find stuff elsewhere in the world! Cheers, Brad
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Greg and Brad, Well ya know, now that I've cast aspersions(HEY, what am I saying here...remember, I didn't say this, that COMIC did) upon the knowledge(or lack there of) of the average american, YOU GUYS can JUST BET I'll be hearing from some o' our "more conservative friends" around here.  AND..I'll ALSO bet the term "UNPATRIOTIC" rears it's ugly head, TOO!  Cheers, Dwight
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If Americans followed the "Beautiful Sport" AND it's worldwide competition, and in order to know where all these people who love playing this sport come from........we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!!
Thinking about it, it's probably best that you don't follow the beautiful game( ) and therefore have to learn geography. If you did find out where some of the competing countries are you'd probably go and invade them
(It's a joke, OK? I shall continue to refrain from posting on the political threads )
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If Americans followed the "Beautiful Sport" AND it's worldwide competition, and in order to know where all these people who love playing this sport come from........we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!!
Thinking about it, it's probably best that you don't follow the beautiful game(:)) and therefore have to learn geography. If you did find out where some of the competing countries are you'd probably go and invade them
(It's a joke, OK? I shall continue to refrain from posting on the political threads )
IRAN is playing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they want to invade them
Mexico is playing !!!!!!!!!! but in this case Mexico invaded USA already 
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Greg and Simon! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!! You guys are great!!!! 
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A lot of Americans who love baseball have no idea where Chicago, Pitsburgh or Arizona are. Doesn't bother them a bit.
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A lot of Americans who love baseball have no idea where Chicago, Pitsburgh or Arizona are. Doesn't bother them a bit.
Yeah, GB!
AND...I've seen enough Cubs, Pirates and Diamondback games on TV to know that their PITCHING STAFF doesn't know where HOME PLATE is EITHER!!!
Cheers, Dwight (batter...UP!!!)
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Dwight, We don't need to know about the boring sport. Run hither and tither - then score one point every 40 minutes? I prefer basketball, and least it is a year round sport, and they score 110 points in 50 or 60 minutes. Has the NBA playoffs started yet? We (americans) already know everything and don't need to learn geography - All these polls are from inner city folks. All they know is when the next government check comes, how many more kids they need to increase that check, and who made the NBA playoffs.
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we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!!
Guess you have seen those TV ads about how americans are geographically challanged 
According to a recent National Geographic Survey, almost 25% of the respondants (between 18 and 25 years old) couldn't find the Pacific Ocean or Gulf of Mexico on the map. Half couldn't even find New York! Forget about trying to find stuff elsewhere in the world!
Cheers, Brad
Here's a place to start learning geography!
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Sounds like a new bumper sticker idea to me "If your kids can't find Mexico and Canada on a map, thank a teacher!" What with all the diversity and sensitivity training I guess they just ran out of time for geography.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I can't stop laughing at Simon and Grzegorz either! It's only funny because it's true!
Since most of us Americans are raised on highlights and raising the score, ESPN has started to "illuminate" players making runs off of the ball and similar aspects that don't result in a goal to educate/entertain everyone so that a scoreless tie can have moments to appreciate. Last nights' NBA final game was great - tension until the end, but they made the ball go in the hoop over 200 times. You just have to have a different appreciation for it, you know?
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AND...I've seen enough Cubs, Pirates and Diamondback games on TV to know that their PITCHING STAFF doesn't know where HOME PLATE is EITHER!!!
Well if you factor in park dimensions and elevation, etc, the Diamondbacks pitching staff isn't any worse than the Dodgers....for a lot less money too. Besides, the Diamondbacks aren't playing for this year, they're waiting for their top young talent(check the PCL standings lately?) to arrive. They're still rebuilding from the Colangelo overspending, and I figure in 2-3 years you'll see what this organization is trying to do. But that's what MLB is about these days when small markets like Arizona have to compete against teams like the Dodgers who can just throw money everywhere due to their market size advantage.
And at least Arizona is trying to be smart about it. The Cubs will always be the Cubs as long as the Trib owns them. Pittsburgh is just in shambles with a similar lack of direction. Out here we put our trust in GM Josh Byrnes who has this organization pointed in the right direction. It's just going to take a little time to get the bad contracts off the books. A Russ Ortiz contract is tough to swallow for the Diamondbacks, but the Dodgers can gulp down contracts like Gagne's and Odalis Perez and just buy more players after the season.
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Yeah, that "No Child Left Behind" is really working out GREAT for us, isn't it? 
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If Americans followed the "Beautiful Sport" AND it's worldwide competition, and in order to know where all these people who love playing this sport come from........we'd HAVE to learn GEOGRAPHY!!! 
A+B+C=180 degrees. What's the problem? 
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Sounds like a new bumper sticker idea to me "If your kids can't find Mexico and Canada on a map, thank a teacher!" What with all the diversity and sensitivity training I guess they just ran out of time for geography.
Well, I know I'll be sorry for hijacking my own tread here(is THAT really even possible, BTW???) and that I should "ride down the more sports oriented avenue" here, BUT Larry, I've got news for ya brother....LEARNING STARTS AT HOME. And, the ULTIMATE responsibility for any child knowing where Mexico and Canada is, let alone where Serbia, Sierra Leon, Slovenia, San Salvador, and the Suez Canal are on a world map.....RESTS WITH THE PARENTS.(of who, 50% today, NO MATTER their political or religious bent, are living in separate homes...read: DIVORCE)
So please spare me the touchy/feely liberal teacher scenario as being the cause as to why..."JOHNNY CAN'T READ"(a freakin' map).
My philosophy(sorry...I know this is YOUR Geography lesson here, but I think you need this class TOO): If people decide to have a child...then READ to him/her, and TEACH him/her the things that are only brushed upon in school.(as they ALWAYS WERE)
If you CAN'T do this...Then DON'T friggin' have 'em. And don't blame the teachers for OUR FAILURE to MENTOR our own freakin' brats!
Cheers, Dwight (now....back to sports and our play-by-play announcer)
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yeah something like 70% of Americans don't even have a passport?? you get a lot of people here who laugh at that, then find out that their idea of foreign travel is going to the Costa del Sol (Spain) eating burgers and chips and drinking lager until they're sick, while not speaking a word of Spanish to the fluent English-speaking Spanish staff. And also, you have such a huge and beautiful country to explore without even leaving the boundaries.. Having said all that, why don't y'all just stay there and leave the rest of the planet alone!! 
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I actually watched almost a complete "football" game the other night, on a local Spanish language channel. That German team kicked the ball around like a well oiled machine!!
In general, though, soccer ranks right up there in excitement value with curling.
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Its not football its soccer. Its played by 22 puffs with a bag of wind. The only skill is the ability to act. It promotes violence in the crowd through frustration. Its no longer sport its a marketing exercise. Cromwell had the right idea - he banned it.
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Why does the rest of the planet keep looking for a handout? If we all left the rest of the planet alone most of them would starve!!!
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OK, I'll bite  Quote:
Its not football its soccer.
In the UK, as you're well aware, it is almost universally known as football. Hence "The Football League", "Leicester City Football Club" etc etc. (Yes, I do know there's a "Leicester Football Club", who indulge in egg-chasing, but even they barely mention the word football on their website).
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Its played by 22 puffs with a bag of wind.
Puffs? I can only assume that you have never seen a player after a hard game. Bruises, cuts, and worse with no complaints, and a desire to get out there the next week do not equal a puff. A bag of wind? Technically I'll give you that one.
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The only skill is the ability to act.
Obviously that isn't true. Have you ever played a game in your life?
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It promotes violence in the crowd through frustration.
There is very little violence at football matches in the UK nowadays. There were 100,000 England fans in Cologne the night before last, and no reports of any trouble. Even in the heyday of football hooliganism you could choose not to get involved. I went to Millwall as an away fan in the mid 80's, and there were no problems.
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Its no longer sport its a marketing exercise.
At the top level I have some sympathy with that statement. However, there are thousands and thousands of men / women / boys and girls who play and watch purely for the love of the game.
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Cromwell had the right idea - he banned it.
He also closed large numbers of "ale-houses"
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Dwight, We don't need to know about the boring sport. Run hither and tither - then score one point every 40 minutes? I prefer basketball, and least it is a year round sport, and they score 110 points in 50 or 60 minutes. Has the NBA playoffs started yet? We (americans) already know everything and don't need to learn geography - All these polls are from inner city folks. All they know is when the next government check comes, how many more kids they need to increase that check, and who made the NBA playoffs.
In too many "Small Town, USA"s, the only criteria for being promoted to the next grade level or graduating is how well one can run the ball up the field, put the ball into the hoop, or how fast one can run around the track, etc., as the school boards, though elected, only run for office voluntarily, and are often parents of school children themselves.
Administrators (not elected, but hired and fired by the school boards) have to heel to the whims of the powers that be. Things can get quite political, and corrupt, in a "Small Town, USA" kind of way.
Kids get promoted from one grade up to the next, and haven't learned a thing about the 3 Rs (reading, riteing, rithmatic), and of course it lowers the standards of the whole school/school district, meaning even non-athletes pass muster when the really may be 2-3 grade levels behind in their learning.
As corrupt as some of these situations get, it still is quite tame compared to other countries political corruptness where only bribery and "gifts" get anything accomplished. And when I say that, and I know this will stirr this pot up a bit, I'm referring mostly to Eastern Europe, and Western hemisphere south of the U.S. border. Scary stuff, to be sure, but no less scary, in reality, than turning out high school graduates here that can't read or write, only perpetuating poverty in our small towns and big cities, alike.
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LEARNING STARTS AT HOME. And, the ULTIMATE responsibility for any child knowing where Mexico and Canada is, let alone where Serbia, Sierra Leon, Slovenia, San Salvador, and the Suez Canal are on a world map.....RESTS WITH THE PARENTS
Absolutely! Especially nowadays when it appears that the schools are more intested in teaching diversity, political opinion and how to get the students to pass the next standardized tests.
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Its no longer sport its a marketing exercise.
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LEARNING STARTS AT HOME. And, the ULTIMATE responsibility for any child knowing where Mexico and Canada is, let alone where Serbia, Sierra Leon, Slovenia, San Salvador, and the Suez Canal are on a world map.....RESTS WITH THE PARENTS
Then what the hell am I paying someone $80,000 a year for... with the whole summer and holidays off. While I go work a 24hr rotating shift weekends and holidays. When I want to go somewhere I get out a map and find where it is I want to go, whether it's a few towns from me or around the world. That is my reponsibility to my children...knowing how to do that, then they can find anyplace themselves.  In my next life I'm coming back and being a teacher...either that or a weatherman.  And you know why all those other countries know where we are and we're not as concerned with where they are...? 'Cause they're all trying to get here...c'mon over to my neighborhood any Sunday...I'll show you half of Portugal/Brazil/Mexico/Guatemala and about 3 dozen other countries playing "Football" their name for it/"Soccer" our name for it in some local parks. U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A. P.S. nice game as are most sports/ to bad hypermedia and bigmoney have to get involved and ruin it. P.S.S. I have teachers in my family...I know there are good ones out there, but their are many out there too that would rather just lay the blame on the parents, pass the buck..just like any other profession, once they get tenure and are secure in their union position the weeds grow, and unfortunateley the union protects the weeds from being pulled. WOW...that was way to many topics to talk about in one discussion....and if you can read this... Thank GOD....a Teacher and your Parents...oh and your eye doctor, the Greeks or Phoenicians (whoever it was that invented the alphabet even the scholars are unsure still) and anyone else you personally want to thank..I'm sure they'd love to here it. This Rave brought to you by the letters T,B and A, tada!!! 
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BUT Larry, I've got news for ya brother....LEARNING STARTS AT HOME.
So what are we paying all those teachers, administrators, counselors, and specialists to do? We spend more tax money on “education†in this country than anything else. (Here in Iowa it’s more than everything else combined) and we’re getting less and less for it every year. So if it’s not the American education system that’s at fault are you saying that parents throughout the rest of the world are superior? Perhaps the children in other countries are just smarter? We spend more money per child than anyone else in the world and still get the poorest results. Learning does indeed begin at home and when American children begin school they are on par with children worldwide. But they begin to fall behind after a few years and the longer they remain in public school the farther behind they get. (See http://www.alec.org/meSWFiles/pdf/Report_Card_on_American_Education.pdf)
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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....So if it’s not the American education system that’s at fault are you saying that parents throughout the rest of the world are superior? Perhaps the children in other countries are just smarter? We spend more money per child than anyone else in the world and still get the poorest results....
No Larry! What I'm saying OUTRIGHT(and I'm sure by this time you would except my response to be nothing less)...is that, the american parent on the whole are TOO FREAKIN' BUSY chasing the ALMIGHT DOLLAR than to spend....a much overused phrase to be sure...much "quality time" mentoring their spoiled, video game playing, junk food eating, probably over-weight little brats. So INSTEAD of sitting down with their kids to HELP TEACH their little twerps something about this big wide world of ours(like say....geography maybe?!), we figure it's "those teachers' responsibiity" to do THAT...."'Cuz, GEEEEE! That's why I spend so much time at work to make all that MONEY, so I can send my little brats to school".
And THIS is especially true if DADDY doesn't live here anymore!
Get the picture? Or should I ask...can you read THAT road map???
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So you ARE saying that parents throughout the rest of the world are superior. That the ignorance of high school and college students in the US is the result of poor parenting and not the fault of the schools.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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So you ARE saying that parents throughout the rest of the world are superior. That the ignorance of high school and college students in the US is the result of poor parenting and not the fault of the schools.
YEP! That's EXACTLY what I'm sayin' here, dude!
IT'S the RESPONSIBILTY of the PARENTS to make sure that their "little ones"(ooooo...I soooo much wanted to use other words to describe 'em)....are EDUCATED. And THAT means spending "some time" TALKING with them, other than in front of that friggin' 42in plasma TV set that you've WORKED so hard to BUY.(useless this includes EXPLAINING to the little twerps what just HAPPENED on said device)
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And Ghana 2 - USA 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY....I'M GHANA GET YOU one day for this OUTRAGE of rubbing our collective noses in this unfortunate outcome, GREG!!!! 
Dwight (actually...even though I KNOW where Ghana is on the ol' map...I really couldn't care less about this, ol' buddy) 
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Sorry Grzegorz, Dwightish is impossible to translate!
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Wow! Sounds like some of our overseas brethren have issues with this great nation that I am proud to be a part of. (Yes, I enjoy ending sentences with prepositions. I'm from the midwest. Deal with it!) Yet many of them ride a bike with the moniker "America" emblazoned on it. (Might have to include you in on this too Dwight.  ) Just a little irony, don't ya' think?
Oh yeah, wasn't this post about soccer or something? 
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WHY....I'M GHANA GET YOU one day for this OUTRAGE of rubbing our collective noses in this unfortunate outcome, GREG!!!!
Dwight (actually...even though I KNOW where Ghana is on the ol' map...I really couldn't care less about this, ol' buddy)
A rough translation to English English ( ) would be:
"I'm going to get my revenge on you for humiliating all of the citizens of the United Sates by mentioning this poor result, Greg.
Actually, I do know where Ghana is, but I don't care about this result, my friend."
I think 
(Helpful hint number 1 for translating Dwightish: "ol'" is an abbreviation for "old". Helpful hint number 2: "Ghana" sounds a bit like "going to" when spoken with an American accent. Anyone else care to help our Polish friend? )
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thanks Simon!!!!!!!!!
your post shows how english could be easy and americans makes it more difficult to understand.........
remember american couple in pub on Anglesey they tried to order lager .........after few words all customers were looking at them and woman who serving there had to ask them what they want!!!!!!!!!!!
then they told that they from USA
 all customers in this pub knows me and no one is looking with curiousity at me when I'm talking 
Last edited by Grzegorz; 06/22/2006 5:29 PM.
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