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Letter To RAT About Torque Magazine
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I guess it hasn't been said much that I don't share my opinion about something, especially about stuff that I feel strongly about. So, being true to form I sent the following email to RatAmerica@TriumphMotorcycles.com about the latest issue of Torque magazine. As much as I hope it does get read and taken seriously, I don't expect a reply at all. I just hope that I am not the only one with similar opinions and hope that others have/or will voice their opinions to RAT.

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I received the latest issue of Torque last week. I have to say it is the worst issue of Torque ever and almost the most worthless magazine I have ever received. The two most important sections of Torque are missing; the RAT Pack section and the owner's bikes/stories section. The only article that was worth reading was the article about the Triumph employee. Otherwise it was just a sales brochure for something I already own.



RAT is suppose to be about the owners of (the best motorcycles ever built) Triumphs. The Torque magazine should be the catalyst of that, bringing riders closer together, bringing the family/community closer together.



I understand that one of the purposes of the magazine is to build a greater enthusiasm for Triumphs. Pointing out that celebrities ride Triumphs is not the way to do it. It may be the way to go to advertise and promote Triumph to those that do not already own Triumphs. Torque needs to get back to being the magazine for the Riders Association of Triumph, not becoming a sales brochure for Triumph motorcycles. It is a waste of resources to try and sell to us (and an almost insulting turn off). We already own and love our bikes; otherwise we would not have signed up/registered for membership in RAT or even bought Triumphs to begin with.



I know that membership for RAT is free. I also understand that it costs money to produce and mail Torque and membership fees (since they are now non-existent) do not go towards producing and mailing Torque. So, I am assuming that the down sized magazine reflects that. However, it seems that the content emitted in order to downsize the magazine is completely opposite of what should have been cut.



Yes, it is nice that Jay Leno owns a Rocket III, however it is widely known that he also owns just about every other bike ever made. He is a celebrity, not a regular person. Regular people that already own Triumphs are very interested in what other regular people's enthusiasm, bikes, modifications and stories rather than TV or movie celebrities. There was the section about custom Rocket IIIs. I am sorry, but changing the paint on anything does not constitute anything as being custom. If you want to see custom, see what some people are doing with their Speedmasters and Americas (choppers, bobbers, etc).



In order to genuinely create a greater enthusiasm and appreciation for Triumph motorcycles, RAT, involvement in RAT and greater sense of community, here is the direction I believe that Triumph needs to take with the Torque magazine and still accomplish low magazine production costs. The primary focus must be the owners, the members, the riders and the enthusiasts (all four are the same):
• Bring back the section of member submitted motorcycles and their stories of why they bought it and/or what they have done with it. Expand the section to keep the selection of models broad and diverse so that all types of owners (sport bike rider, café racer, classic owner, cruiser rider, touring rider and rocket owners) can connect and identify with the other owners/riders that are featured. There are some segments of Triumph owners that feel that their models are ignored.
• Have a section for RAT Reports that include photos from the events, activities that happened, how many people attended, what RAT Packs attended and who won what contests/drawings.
• A section on accomplished riders is essential. This is a section for people and their bikes that maybe rode around the world, across the United States or Europe on their Triumph either by themselves or in a group of other Triumphs.
• Bring back the RAT Pack section. Believe it or not, some people in Oregon find it very interesting the photos, activities and etc of packs in say Connecticut.
• Keep the Triumph employee page. This keeps the sense of connection with the Triumph factory and that the people that work there are regular people like the rest of us.
• If costs are an issue, then open it to advertising for companies that have aftermarket accessories or services for Triumphs like Corbin, NewSpeedmaster.com, BellaCorse and others.



The bottom line is to keep Torque about the members of RAT, in a sense, a magazine about the members (and their bikes) for the members (and their bikes). In doing so, Torque will be the catalyst among all the members of RAT it will generate a greater sense of community and enthusiasm for Triumph generating greater involvement in RAT activities. As people feel more of a part of the Triumph owners' family and an important part of the Triumph community, they will do what the ultimate goal of any corporation is. Current RAT members will spread the word to other Triumph owners to get involved. They will also be more willing to spread the word and their enthusiasm about Triumph motorcycles to not yet owners by telling them about this marvelous world wide community through word of mouth and by lending their copies of Torque to others so that others will be able to see for themselves creating an interest in and sales of more Triumphs, thus creating an ever increasing cycle that benefits all.



Thank you for your time.
Soren Winslow
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Damn Soren, thats a good letter!!!!! Havent received the newest issue yet, I am usually a week behind in receiving it for some reason, but I was disapointed in my first issue I received this year.
By the way, from time to time I have to write sales and marketing letters, wanna start writing for me?????

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Well said Soren, I second that.


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maybe we all should send this letter to Rat not only in USA coz when I got last time my copy only one thing I liked was article about factory Rat meetings and picture of mine


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Good for you bud! Not that I have ever seen a Torgue magazine. Joined RAT 6 months ago, sent 3 emails etc. Torgue is an extension of a corporate stance on its product. Bottom line- They could give a RAT-s ****** about us, they already have our money. Those guys in Georgia must have worked at one time for HD.


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Sounds to me like you're pretty - (Wait for it. WAIT for it. NOW!) - "Torqued off" about the whole deal. Makes me wanna write a letter to Hustler to complain that they don't show enough skin. Yeah, THAT'S what I'll do! and I'll include a photo of myself, too. That'll show em...


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You keep sending e-mails like that and they just might offer you a job!

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IMHO, Torque "Magazine" was always a Triumph sale's brochure for potential repeat Triumph buyers. It never had substance, but some of the pictures are pretty.

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Hey Soren, get off the fence will ya and tell us what you really think about it!



Good letter.
Don't be suprised if you get a reply. They are usually very good at replying to customers.
Despite outward appearances, they DO value feedback.

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Just my 2 Zloty,

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Should be " 2 grosze"


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Good letter, I completely agree with the triumph advertisment for triumph owners. We already own the bikes, shouldn't the magazine have triumph accessories? Does the advertisment for 500 in free accesories count for the BA/SM content of the rag?
Much better the letter I was writing,
Dear Triumph
Torque sucks, please refund my membership.
Thanks

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Well, I guess when I get passionate about something, I let it all out. I know I am not the only one who feels that way. Yesterday, when I was in Seattle a friend of mine brought it up to me about how the new Torque magazine sucks. I just couldn't let this issue pass. I love my bike and I am a huge fan of Triumphs altogether, so I had to let them know my opinion.

There were two points I wanted to sneak in there. The part about how some owners feel disconnected from Triumph for the lack of mention of our bikes. And also how some people around here are making some truly awesome custom bikes out of their Speedmasters and Americas (besides just different paint)

I have never seen a copy of the magazine that HOG sends out, but I use to hear about it from my x-mother-in-law about how it was always member driven, always about the people, always about their bikes. That is how any owners group should be.

If I get any response, I'll post it.

Hey if anyone else feels the same, write to them. The address is in my original post.

Soren

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You keep sending e-mails like that and they just might offer you a job!



As the new president of RAT, I propose a Triumph sanctioned Speedmaster/America only RAT Raid As the new editor of RAT, the next issue will feature only Speedmasters and Americas then each issue following will have a dedicated section to the best cruisers ever built

Soren

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The thing that really pissed me off about the Leno article is that they gave him a Rocket III


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Excellent, Soren.... my exact sentiments. I breezed thru my copy of TORQUE, and it appeared to me to be a sales brochure for the Rocket III. Oh.. not a single America or Speedmaster on any page (other than the chopper's engine).


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I just can't get that worked up about something I'm not paying for. I actually enjoy some of the travel articles and never really got much out of the RAT section. Seemed like a lot of that was that same old hash issue after issue with an occasional meeting date thrown in for good measure.

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Soren,

While I have to agree with FriarJohn that you're probably tilting at the old windmills again, I also think you've done an excellent job in expressing the sentiments that I believe many Triumph owners hold about their favorite motorcycle marque's seeming lack of commitment to field a periodical worthy of their two-wheeled product.

My sentiments:
If Triumph's management doesn't wish to commit any additional funds to this venture, OR if they can't seem to be able to employ someone to edit and publish a readable and "Triumph worthy" magazine...someone who could show the passion and insight you Soren, have shown here...then I ask of them: Why FREAKIN' bother at all, gentlemen?!

I mean, their machines certainly aren't "half-a$$ed"! Why should their official magazine be thus?

Cheers,
Dwight
(come on...you guys just KNEW I'd have to throw at least ONE "freakin'" in there, didn't cha?!)

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Look guys the last one was bad this one makes that one look like freaking Life magazine. Triumph cares about one maybe 2 bikes. The funny thing is at both my local dealers there seems to be leftover rockets but no speedmasters or Americas
I take the 5 seconds to read it then move on.


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Well , yea, your points have merit....however,,, the Steve McQueen part and the new "Trophy" Scrambler was cool.
It is free and the factory is doing sooooo much more than the the Meridin factory ever thought of doing. Me thinks Mr. Bloor has done a bully job....but yea, things can always get better......The H.O.G. mags I've read are pretty much the same as Torque to me....self promotion but with more H.D. merchandise listed......

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This issue is the same as the others...not worth alot...but free (I think) so I don't complain.
I like looking at the glossy pictures but that is about it. Actually, I have been considering a Rocket next year but this issue's focus kinda dampened my enthuisiasm. I just didn't think most of the "custom rockets" looked that nice...just partial to the America/Speedmaster look I guess.

Anyway, I actually thought the R.A.T. section was a waste of paper space...but since my company makes paper...was fine with it.

I prefer they spend their $'s upgrading the WEB site. That's one of the best forums for promoting Triumph with the unintelligent.


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Maybe I have a tendency to dual with windmills. But hey maybe someday a real dragon will come along

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My biggest issue is with the copy editing. I stopped counting the spelling and grammar errors. It was maddening. Still it's free and very, very glossy.


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most of the "custom rockets" were just a nice airbrushing job, very little inovation, I saw 2 BA/SM the chopper thing, doesnt look to rideable IMHO, and the ad for $500 in free accessories if you bought one.

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I would be interested in reading it if it contained a maintenance tip section and a dealer directory plus whatever other practical stuff other riders can think of.


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I would be interested in reading it if it contained a maintenance tip section




Unlikely. I'm sure the unofficial editorial position of the magazine is that all maintenance should be performed by your authorized Triumph dealer.


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Did anyone read and/or enjoy the article about New Zealand?

I did...


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Unlikely. I'm sure the unofficial editorial position of the magazine is that all maintenance should be performed by your authorized Triumph dealer.




FJ, you ain't lying, when I took my Speedmaster to the dealer so they could evaluate the stripped oil pump gears, one of the employees was questioning me about the bike's maintenance history, and I replied that I had carried out the past two services myself, including the 24000 mile valve adjustment, although still using the Triumph Oil and Filter; I got the distinct impression that the employee considered any maintenance not performed by a dealership, as maintenance not performed at all.


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Phil I read it too, but if you are referring to the "Sprint Down The Coast" article it was in OZ not NZ. I liked it very much along with the "On The Trail Of Steve McQueen. I also enjoyed the EMS article in the Tech section. I like the Letters and the Day In The Life sections. I believe Soren has some good points in his letter and the mag could be improved, but I am not ready to through it out. I do miss seeing the RAT events. I like photograph of people having a good time and see their bikes.
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Crap... I hate when that happens!

Excellent article. Well written and good photos...


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I finally received my Torque magazine! I have nothing to add other than to say I really like the Corbin hard bags on the R3. Awesome look.


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spent some more time re-reading and looking through Torque over the last few days. I guess it really in as bad as it had originally struck me. I think I jumped the gun quite a bit with some of what I originally wrote. I stick with that a paint job does not make a bike custom and those of us with Speedmasters and Americas are almost completely ignored.

That being said, I got an email from Matt Weinert:
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Soren,
Its to bad that you feel that way. The bulk of what was removed was the pack information section. This will soon be placed onto the Triumph Motorcycles website.


Torque is geared towards the Triumph owner. Membership is free to all those that have bought a Hinckley Triumph. It is a very large and broad spectrum of people and tastes.


Thanks for your feedback,


MW





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Matt,


I have to apologize for my letter. After re-reading the latest Torque, I have changed my mind about most of what I said (It would be nice to see some real custom Speedmasters and Americas featured). I guess since I am a huge fan of all Triumph motorcycles and in particular the Speedmaster and America, I can sometimes get a little wound up and passionate about the things I believe in. I am also a very huge fan of RAT and a very active member in my local RAT Pack (I joined RAT almost a whole year before I bought my first Triumph, the Speedmaster) and want to see it always expanding and growing bringing all types of Triumph owners together. Please accept my apology.


Soren





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Okay Soren. So it appears the "Torque War" is over for now, huh?!

Well...I'm a bettin' the next NEW guy around here who receives his first free edition of this thing and doesn't see HIS favorite bike, the Bonnie America and/or the Speedmaster(as we ALL know...the seemingly "b*stard step-children of the Triumph's lineup) will "invade Poland"(so to speak), and start "Torque War II" REAL soon.

You just wait and see!

Cheers,
Dwight


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Okay Soren. So it appears the "Torque War" is over for now, huh?!

Well...I'm a bettin' the next NEW guy around here who receives his first free edition of this thing and doesn't see HIS favorite bike, the Bonnie America and/or the Speedmaster(as we ALL know...the seemingly "b*stard step-children of the Triumph's lineup) will "invade Poland"(so to speak), and start "Torque War II" REAL soon.

You just wait and see!

Cheers,
Dwight




WHAT ABOUT POLAND ??????????!!!!!!!!!
there is not RAT in Poland by the way


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I KNEW that would grab your attention there Greg!!!!


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I KNEW that would grab your attention there Greg!!!!




This above looks like shortest post you ever made


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Well Greg...I just found a new word in my Oxford American english dictionary...."BREVITY"!!!!

I thought I'd try THAT for a while, ol' buddy!!!


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