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I caught part of Hannity and Colmes tonight on Fox news.
They had some bimbo on their show from the hate filled so called christian entity that travels around the country attempting to ruin the funerals of our honored war dead.
As most of you know the Patriot Guard Riders make it their business to shield families from this vile scum.
I did not see it all but I did hear both Hannity and Colmes rip this ignorant self serving hate filled bimbi to shreds. Its great when both Hannity and Colmes agree on something.
They tore her a new rectal passage and left her hangin with her soiled drawers in the wind.
She went off on a rant and let me tell you ...if you have never heard these people (and I use the term people loosely) they are 100% pure whack jobs.
Whatever they are they sure as heck are not "christian"
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About a month ago we had the privilege of having these "Christan's" visit our community and offer their condolences. If you thought this interview was sickening you should see them in person. If they speak for Christianity (they don't) I wouldn't want any part of it!!!
The good news is KS. finally got their stuff together,passed laws against these kinds of antics, so these good christians are on their way to Military Hospitals spreading their wise words of wisdom & love to our wounded soldiers
These people(sick animals) are a total waste $#$%@#@!!@^#^&
Sorry I couldn't say what I really feel, its tough on a redneck when he cant cuss!!!!
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Ah, the Phelps family rears it's ugly head once again on this site (or at least the subject). I listened to an interview either with this woman or one of her many demonspawn on the Adam Carolla radio show. Asshat.
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The phelps 'church' ( Westboro Babtist Church) is made up mostly of Phelps' children, grandchildren and in-laws. All of their protests are based on religious grounds, and show just how easy religion can be subverted when otherwise rational people choose to turn off their brains. As for the laws that have already passed and are being considered.. most legal analysts concur that they will be overturned if challanged, on constitutional grounds. How you feel about that I guess depends on how valuable you hold the concepts of freedom of speech and right to assembly. Cheers, Brad
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The Iowa Gov. just signed into law (electroniclly from Pakistan) a bill keeping those christians 500 ft from any funeral.
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Almost fell out of my chair when I opened this thread! I agree with Kevin on something! Those people are horrible, I would inflict great violence on them if they appeared at one of my family members funerals.
What could they be thinking????
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I am a very peaceful person but I would have to kick the sh1t out of them if they came to one of my relatives funerals...it would not be pretty.
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What I don't understand is that this isn't about religion, no matter what that family says, it's about decency. Plain and simple. You just don't do this kind of sick crap. I'm afraid I'd go postal on these morons....
It absolutley is not about religion. Unfortunately they are using as an excuse (just as the terrorists use their religion as an excuse) and to me it seems very wrong. I am very much a Christian, and I absolutley cannot stand what those people are doing. I did join the Patriot Guard (haven't ridden with them yet) because no matter what anyone's view about the war are, these soldiers deserve the absolute utmost respect and honor for fighting (and dying) for our country. They were doing their duty.
If anyone wants to protest the war, go somewhere else. Somewhere where there is not a family mourning for the loss of a family member. it is totally and completely disrespectful to that family and the memory of that person.
If it really is about religious beliefs, if it really is ok to do that according to those beliefs, then they better quote me chapter and verse out of the Bible saying that type of behavior is acceptable.
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Rumor has it these scum bags will be in town today at the funeral of a fallen Marine - a kid that went to school with my brother in law. Looks like a whole lot of the Patriot guard riders will also be attending. Wish I had more flexibility at work, I'd be there.
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If it really is about religious beliefs, if it really is ok to do that according to those beliefs, then they better quote me chapter and verse out of the Bible saying that type of behavior is acceptable.
In context.
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In context.
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It bothers me that they are even refered to as "Christians". They're not. They're fools.
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then they better quote me chapter and verse out of the Bible saying that type of behavior is acceptable.
Oh, they have lots of bible references for you! Check out their god hates fags site. Apparently (according to their site), god also hates America, Sweden and Canada as well.. and to stir things up even more, they claim "The Catholic Church is the largest, most well-funded and organized pedophile group in the history of man!"
In a true twisted ironic fashion, they call their protests the "Love Crusades".
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From what I listened to last night they are "equal oppurtunity haters" ... apparently Jews are all deserving of whatever persecution is heaped upon them as far as these mongrels are concerned.
Truly whack jobs of the highest order. Bad news is they are allowed to breed. Imagine a child raised by these snakes.
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Holy crap, we agree on something. Don't let this get out!
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I saw this wack job last night. I must admit that I find Combs a very weak "liberal." It is Hannity's show. He went after this nut in a big way. He did rip her lungs out the long way.
However, the fact that they had this nut case on just gives her credibility. That's the problem with these 24 hour new whores -- this includes CNN as well.
They need anything, something to fill the time.
This woman was an insult to humanity.
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God hates Canada? Now I know for SURE these people are whack jobs!
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Through-out history there have been those from every conceivable denomination that attach to themselves the name of Christ as followers who have used His name for purposes, that even the poorest of theologians can recognize as far from the call He made to those who follow Him. As one who stumbles in many ways but plods on non the less I hang my head at the actions of those who would dishonor, in the name of the one they profess to follow, those who have sacrificed their lives, regardless of politics! Their families DO NOT deserve such a selfish display of expressionism on the parts of those who have determined their rights to express themselves exceed the rights of common courtesy and decency to those who mourn.
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Oh, they have lots of bible references for you!
They may have tons of Bible verses of why they believe or think the way they do, but, that has absolutley nothing to do with their behavior. I bet they cannot find one to justify how they are going about what they are attempting to say.
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I bet they cannot find one to justify how they are going about what they are attempting to say.They actually have a couple, as stated in their FAQ question " Why do you picket funerals?". Cheers, Brad
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I bet they cannot find one to justify how they are going about what they are attempting to say.
They actually have a couple, as stated in their FAQ question "Why do you picket funerals?".
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That's why I made the notation about "in context", Brad.
In a compilation such as the Bible, anyone can pull out sentences to justify anything if they ignore the context of the verses that they use. AE there is a well known story of a man who wanted to find out what God wanted him to do, so he opened his Bible and randomly selected a verse, Matthew 27:5. He didn't understand what this could mean so he randomly selected another to see if he could clarify, he pointed to Luke 10:37(b). 
Obviously this is not the message of the Bible, but serves as an example of the misuse that can (and does) occur.
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It looks like we (the PGR) will be dealing with "Fred Felps Freaks" again this Friday in Colorado Springs-sure would like to see some more Triumph Riders there with Patriot Guard armbands on-See patriotguard.org to join up-it is free! Look for the mission to memorialize Sgt. Robert Clark for details of this mission.
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Obviously this is not the message of the Bible, but serves as an example of the misuse that can (and does) occur.Well, it seems that it's only 'misuse' if it disagrees with ones own interpretation  Cheers, Brad
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Obviously this is not the message of the Bible, but serves as an example of the misuse that can (and does) occur.
Kind of funny, but when this self-same abuse of the Bible by using quotes to justify behaviour that clearly SMACKS of contradiction with the teachings of Christianity is applied to Muslim fundamentalists who do the same, that extremism is applied liberally with a broad stroke to all of Islam, despite the millions of Muslims who live in peaceful coexistence to the contrary of the spoutings of extremists (and who have about as much power to reel in extremists as the Pope does in reeling in Irish Catholic IRA bombers).
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Well, it seems that it's only 'misuse' if it disagrees with ones own interpretation
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That's a pretty simplistic statement, Brad. I'm disappointed .
Obviously, those who seek to control others will use whatever methods work for them. Unfortunately, many who say they seek God will follow whomever tells them what agrees with their own preconceived notions.
And they are quite fond of "proof-texting". Any reputable scholar of the Bible will tell you that's misuse.
As any intelligent human being should be able to see.
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Obviously this is not the message of the Bible, but serves as an example of the misuse that can (and does) occur.
Kind of funny, but when this self-same abuse of the Bible by using quotes to justify behaviour that clearly SMACKS of contradiction with the teachings of Christianity is applied to Muslim fundamentalists who do the same, that extremism is applied liberally with a broad stroke to all of Islam, despite the millions of Muslims who live in peaceful coexistence to the contrary of the spoutings of extremists (and who have about as much power to reel in extremists as the Pope does in reeling in Irish Catholic IRA bombers).
True enough Greg. However, I've not seen or heard of any Muslim teachers refuting the fundamentalists  .
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They actually have a couple, as stated in their FAQ question "Why do you picket funerals?".
Geeze, talk about out of context and meaning. Even in the verses they quoted, not once does it mention disturbing/protesting/disrespecting a funeral service or those who are in mourning.
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That's a pretty simplistic statementIs it? According to World Christian Encyclopedia: A comparative survey of churches and religions, "There are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many smaller ones. 34,000 separate Christian groups have been identified in the world" (emphasis is mine). Seems there is plenty of disagreement over interpretation, even between close inter-faith factions who base their religion on the same source(s). Obviously, those who seek to control others will use whatever methods work for them.Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Eternal damnation is a pretty powerful control mechanism if you can get people to believe in it  not once does it mention disturbing/protesting/disrespecting a funeral service or those who are in mourning.And they don't claim it does.. but look at what they do reference (II Kings 23).. the murder of those who don't share the same belief and are considered 'sinners', the destruction of private property of those 'sinners', and the desecration of the graves of 'sinners', the digging up of their bodies and bones and burning them so their ashes may be scattered over the ground. Peaceful protesting seems pretty lame by those standards, which is how they frame their argument. Cheers, Brad
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Now that's the Brad I have grown to expect  . Among the Christian groups, dispute over interpretation usually involves issues that are not considered essential to ones salvation. Often different groups indeed think they have the only key to the faith and all who don't agree are damnned. I sure that the 34,000 figure involves groups such as Phelps’. The larger Christian church does not support their views. I don't see anyone here supporting Phelps, instead the Christians present are condemning his blatant misrepresentation of the Bible. Quote:
Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Eternal damnation is a pretty powerful control mechanism if you can get people to believe in it
FYI, mainstream, Orthodox, Protestant Christianity does not focus on Hell and damnation. Rather on Grace and forgiveness. 
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You can't take them seriously? Please!
Sean Hannity serves a significant "social purpose". He reminds the rest of us how stupid we could have been.
Alan Colmes? I could hang out with this ugly dood. He is extremely intelligent (hides it well, like Columbo), but he needs to be more aggresive and even tell Sean when his intelligence is showing.
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Now that's the Brad I have grown to expect Glad I haven't disapointed I sure that the 34,000 figure involves groups such as Phelps’. The larger Christian church does not support their views.Despite the numbers, your statement above is nothing more than an Argumentum ad populum, a popular falacy commonly invoked in such situations. It doesn't prove that their interpretation and understanding is any more right or wrong than yours, just that it's different. Regardess of the falacy though, I'll even take it one step further for you, and say that the majority of humans on this planet would most likely oppose their views and more importantly, their actions. It doesn't change the fact however that their source of inspiration is wide open for different interpretations, from mild to extreme, as you have already, although unwittingly, acknowledged  I don't see anyone here supporting Phelps, instead the Christians present are condemning his blatant misrepresentation of the Bible.Of course not.. they [Phelps and his followers] are whack jobs and I don't think anyone in their right mind would support their actions, regardless of their religious affiliation or lack thereof. My point however was that from an outside viewpoint, interpretation can and does vary from one extreme to the other, and everybody claims that theirs is 'the one'. I guess we both agree, having said yourself: Often different groups indeed think they have the only key to the faith and all who don't agree are damnned.(Ouch, there's that nasty punishment thing again ) FYI, mainstream, Orthodox, Protestant Christianity does not focus on Hell and damnation. Rather on Grace and forgiveness.You can focus on whatever side of a dichotomy that you like, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a dichotomy. Focus on the 'reward' is just another implementation of "You can catch more flys with honey than vinegar". One tenent of your example, the protestant church, is: " By faith in Jesus Christ we receive God's gift of eternal salvation..."What happens if you don't believe? You can focus on the reward all you like, but it doesn't remove the punishment should you fail. As you have already noticed, "all who don't agree are damnned", seems to be a fairly common theme as well, regardless of focus. Look, I think we all agree that Phelps and his gang are whack jobs and what they are doing is disgusting. There is a certain amount of respect that we must all have for others, and they seem to have none, regardless of their motivation. The rest of this thread seems to have wandered into the philosophical, which really isn't appropriate given the forum, but I'd be happy to continue off line if you feel the need Cheers, Brad
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The rest of this thread seems to have wandered into the philosophical, which really isn't appropriate given the forum, but I'd be happy to continue off line if you feel the need
It's appropriate enough for the lounge, which is by definition the "off topic forum". But I agree that sometimes the philosophical discussions upset some of the patrons, who then say something inappropriate that gets the moderator to lock the thread. I also agree that offline may be a better place for some of the more abstruse discussions.
That said, I would like to respond to a couple of your points in public, since they were made in public
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Despite the numbers, your statement above is nothing more than an Argumentum ad populum, a popular falacy commonly invoked in such situations. It doesn't prove that their interpretation and understanding is any more right or wrong than yours, just that it's different.
IT wasn't intended to prove right or wrong, just that the long standing, educated opinion does not support the extremist viewpoints of the personality cults that spring up. And that's the real point. The Bible is not their source of inspiration, the personality of their leader (and their own susceptibility) is such that they would follow him if he used a menu from Denny’s as inspiration.
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It doesn't change the fact however that their source of inspiration is wide open for different interpretations, from mild to extreme, as you have already, although unwittingly, acknowledged
I seldom do anything "unwittingly" Brad. It would be rather foolish to claim that any written work is not open to interpretation. In fact, using the methods of "proof texting" that that the fringe groups do, the New Collegiate dictionary could be interpreted in such a way as to justify anything.
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One tenent of your example, the protestant church, is: " By faith in Jesus Christ we receive God's gift of eternal salvation..."
What happens if you don't believe? You can focus on the reward all you like, but it doesn't remove the punishment should you fail. As you have already noticed, "all who don't agree are damnned", seems to be a fairly common theme as well, regardless of focus.
There's that context thing again . The tenets of the Protestant Church can be traced back to its beginnings, that is, as a response to the teachings of the Roman Church. In this case, it is a response to the teaching that salvation could be purchased from the Roman Church, and that faith alone was not sufficient. By taking it out of context you have (unwittingly?  ) given an excellent example of misconstruction of the original intent of the teaching.
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And that's the real point. The Bible is not their source of inspiration, the personality of their leader (and their own susceptibility) is such that they would follow him if he used a menu from Denny’s as inspiration. Then where did they get that crazy idea that homosexuals are sinners? I don't think the menu over at dennys touches on that point, so they must have picked it up someplace else (and they do in fact state where). By taking it out of context you have (unwittingly? ) given an excellent example of misconstruction of the original intent of the teaching.By taking what exactly out of context? Are you indicating that you lean towards Calvinism, where the dichotomy is more of a crap shoot?  Cheers, Brad
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Then where did they get that crazy idea that homosexuals are sinners?
I don't believe that Christianity is the only religion to consider homosexuality a sin.
In fact one of the other tenets of reformed (protestant) theology is that all human beings are sinners.
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I don't think the menu over at dennys touches on that point, so they must have picked it up someplace else (and they do in fact state where).
Is your sense of irony that poorly developed? OK, I'll explain again. Phelps does not represent Christian beliefs. Phelps has gathered a following, mostly family, based on his personality and their own willingness to be led. Phelps uses Bible verses OUT OF CONTEXT to support his own warped viewpoints.
Exactly why are you asking me to explain where a whack job like Phelps gets his ideas. I'm not one of his supporters. Hummmphh, he probably uses LINUX. Now you explain just how it is that all LINUX users cannot also be Phelpian whack jobs.
(I hope you're working on that sense of irony ).
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By taking what exactly out of context?
SIGH, by taking one of the tenets of protestant theology out of context. I even explained the context for you. However, I expect opponents of any belief (political or religious) to try to use the oppositions’ statements against them. This is done by pulling words out of their original context, assigning a different meaning to them and demanding an explanation.
If you wish to continue to flog this dead horse, please don't.
If, however, you want to gain insight and understanding into how people other than you think and believe through intelligent discourse then, by all means, continue .
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Are you indicating that you lean towards Calvinism
At least you got something out of my last post.
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Are you indicating that you lean towards Calvinism
At least you got something out of my last post.
Ahh, now I see the source of confusion
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but he needs to be more aggresive and even tell Sean when his intelligence is showing
Couldn't have said it better!!
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At least you got something out of my last post.
Ahh, now I see the source of confusion
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I think Colmes should have stayed in the debate club alittle longer. On the rare occasion he does have an intelligent answer he doesn't seem to be able to get his point across without looking like a fool
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Re: Hannity and Colmes
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I think Colmes should have stayed in the debate club alittle longer. On the rare occasion he does have an intelligent answer he doesn't seem to be able to get his point across without looking like a fool
Is this Alan's fault or, like most liberal positions, are his arguments doomed from the start?
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