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I'm curious how many of us carry a gun. I carry a Glock model 27 (small frame) .40 cal. semi-automatic pistol with magazine grip extenders just about all the time, including while I'm on the America. In Virginia, the requirements for a concealed weapon permit are fairly simple. You must pass a safety course and appear before a judge. I'm a store owner who often works late and leaves alone. At other times, just having the pistol gives some security for me and my family. When Big Brother comes around to collect the guns, I'll have a few spares on hand!!
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Not into Canada, you won't.
I can't believe that. I am about to ride into British Columbia, where the roads contain over 1,000 miles of creatures that can eat me, and I am defensless (save a knife). Sorry, but if you want me to visit Alaska on a motorcycle - I need a gun, dumb sassy border person.
I keep my WaltherPP in a special place (that doesn't require KY jelly). I can't say where on the internet, but I can get to it quick and the Mounties (great folks, by the way) usually can't find it (or they haven't found it yet).
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Is your Walther a PPKS? The PPK has long been one of my favorite guns. German design and craftsmanship get high marks. Oh, and if it's good enough for James Bond, it's good enough for me too.
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Dennis, I'm afraid that Walther would just pis a grizzly off 
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Here in Arizona, we have "open carry", as the US Constitution intended. Just strap it on your hip (or sling it over your shoulder) and off you go - walking or riding.
Used to see Harley riders with a "hawg leg" strapped to their hips and it was amazing how the cage drivers gave them a wide berth.
Arizona now has a concealed carry law, too, like so many other states. But in the "old days", guys would just put a small pistol into their front pocket - legally.
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Montana used to have an open carry law but I don't know if it's still on the books. It came up in a criminal justice class I took at MSU 20 years ago. It may be the law still, but one thing is certain, you're still going to get to talk to the local constabulary. I've also heard that you can talk to the Sheriff and for $50 get a concealed carry permit, assuming you pass the background check.
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If I carry I have a variety of pistols to choose from. The H&K USPs are my favorite pieces, but are not motorcycle friendly. A Colt Mustang, or the P3AT work pretty well when on the road. The only good thing about Washington State is their right to carry law. Everything else about this lefty haven pretty much stinks.
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Very hard for me personally to understand the diverse regulations over there. I'm glad that for the biggest part the gun thing is an ABSOLUTE NO NO over here.
When things do happen linked to guns over here it is due to either the biggest NUMBTIES going thet I would not allow out with a baby buggy or Mr totally innocent going BARKING MAD and doing loads of innocent people.
Concealed?, open carry?, I genuinely feel sorry for you all(no disrespect intended) but this is one part of the America's I wish no part of.... lots of other bits are well appealing though.
(Is this called ..... doing a Dwight..... my own personal rant?)
Overall what percentage do carry a gun.. 5%, 25%, 50%? frightening.
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Probably right, but it's the only thing I've got that will easily hide in the.........
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PPK/S and it runs fairly well on .380 ACP fuel.
My brother wants to give me a Bersa (something?) .380 + $500 for the Walther. I am thinking about it.
I asked a local smith about the Bersa - he said it was a quality pistol and assured me I'd like firing it better than the PP. He said there was better protection from the slide - but I've only been nicked a couple times.
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u guys should check out the scandium (spelling) S&W's. very small and light. super carry friendly
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NH has open carry on the books, I have only seen one rider carry on his hip. Most of the new people who have moved up from MA have never heard of the open carry law, so more than likely you will be visited by the cops if you try it. But we do have a fairly easy concealed carry process, you just go to the local police dept. Fill out the right form $10 and no felonies later you can carry. That being said my ruger only rides in my truck.
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I have an M-16 and an M-9 assigned to me in the National Guard. They are both locked up in the armory. I otherwise don't own any guns, since I don't hunt or otherwise have the perceived need to own one. Arkansas has a concealed carry permit law, but most stores or other private or public places have signs that prohibit weapons on their premises, so it would be as big a hassle as being a smoker, and I don't need any more hassles than I already have. I also figure that if someone breaks into my house, it will likely be when I'm not home, and if I had a gun somewhere, it would be one of the items the bastid took. Then HE'D be the one armed.
While I support the second amendment (the right to arm bears), I also know that the constitution was written well prior to the weapons technology we now have and people back then were a little more "stable" than some of the armed nutcases we have now. Had the founding fathers seen ahead at what weapons we now have at our disposal to own (or the fact that most people nowadays no longer have to shoot their food), I think they would have been a bit more specific in their language when they wrote the second amendment.
I have nothing against licensed hunting or the right to self protection, I just don't have any need for myself to own a weapon. Now, if I was taking a cross country trip trough Alaska, it might be a different story...
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Az is an OK to open carry in full view state. Years ago when I lived on the southside of Tucson which is infected with Hispanic gangs I used to keep a colt 380 auto handy. After I moved on up to the east side so to speak and got married the handgun became passe.
A Harley rider was killed by an idiot case enraged driver last week here in Tucson. The guy was caught and charged with murder (he had a large rap sheet) He chased the Harley and forced an accident by striking the rear of the Harley and the rider ended up dead under another car.
I kinda doubt that a weapon in the hands of the rider would have dissuaded the numbnuts "rage" case. But I have to admit that if I could foresee myself in that scenario I'd have to ask if a handgun leveled at the driver would have delivered him to his senses. Hard to tell.
I have no problems with anyone packing iron as long as they keep their cool. I think a fine line exists between a real threat and just some BS at times
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I have to agree with Beano.
I also have to disagree with you bonny.
If guns were commonplace over here I'd have to wear a flakjacket at work. I'm always getting comments that my job is dangerous - threats of assault are commonplace - so if guns were carried I'd change my job. And I'm one who can get away with applying the rules on tickets at midnight. Main 'cos I'm female. And the only woman out working at that time of night.
And while it's not the free and open sixties (which I don't remember) I don't feel restricted by society in anyway. Maybe because I buck the trends that society expects for women anyway!
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I always have either a Glock 26 or a Rohrbaugh at hand. That is one of my perplexing problems since starting to ride again. Where to carry and avoid landing on it if an accident should occur. I had been carrying inside the waistband but thought this might not be the best of places if the bike were to go down. The Rohrbaugh is small enough to fit in the pocket but not the Glock. Then I wonder perhaps if pocket carry might not be the best place. I have been putting the pistol in a roll bag on the back of the bike. However, I have to remove it when going away from the bike and need to be careful of someone seeing it to avoid problems that might come from that.
Very restrictive gun laws like GB and Australia are not the answer either. Only the criminals who could care less about laws have the weapons. Leaving people to be defenseless. The right of self defense in a dangerous world should be left up to the individual and not the government to make that decision.
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Gina thanks for the view of common sense here and I understand some of the predjudice's that you probably face working within the rail network but thank god that the majority of your "customers" must abide by the law of the land and don't carry otherwise we would have mayhem.
Phil as Gina mentioned the sixties I WAS brought up in those times (born '53) and I beleive they were definitely NOT restrictive in any way. MODS & ROCKERS and a lot of the culture that we relish were born of this land, seaside scraps would have been bloodbaths, British Music and musicians leading the world were of this "restrictive" era.
This so called restrictive society has encouraged and bred many outstanding characters and leaders from all other fields Arts, Science, Culture.
All this done without "freedom " to carry guns.
"""I have never had to use a weapon in defense of a life and I hope I never have to. However....."""
I'll bet most regular/ normal/ balanced people think this.... then why do it? Its just an accident waiting to happen, how many other accidental shootings have there already been. Take away the so called "freedom" and seriously reduce the risk of incidents.
No offence meant to you all who disagree but I find it very hard to understand, I do have experience here in UK as my brother at one time had an arsenal at home(gun club member) collector of replicas, working hand/shot guns and rifles. Impressive but awfull pieces of kit with a potential for extreme sadness. Ever since restriction were greatly increased, and I think it was Hungerford that finally got him to come to his senses and found other hobbies.... back to motorcycles.... (dangerous, potential for extreme sadness.. whoops)
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Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I have a strong liking for the M1911-A1. Especially after reading a report about some idiot on angeldust who was still coming after the cops with a knife after being hit with 60 some rounds of 9 mm. He looked like a human pincushion. The M1911 was designed to knock a Morro armed with a machetti on his bum and break enough bones that he couldn't get back up, and that is just what you need with some of these wierd people.
I also like black powder weapons. It isn't hard to make your own ammunition, so they will still be usable after the government has seen to it that only criminals and police (pretty much the same thing around here) are armed.
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Licensed and own, but never carry. I figure if you're going to pull a gun you might have to kill something. I'd like to just avoid that situation if possible, it's not that bad around here, YET.
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Mostly a Colt 44 magnum. I re-load ammo for it. I have others that are a little smaller though. I like to ride up some of our paved canyons. We do have problems with cougar and bear. When I hike in the mountains the 44 has come in handy many times. I have never had to kill one of these animals, but that gun has a loud bark and has scared them away. We also have problems with farrell dogs packs killing deer and pets. The Brits have a different history than ours and I respect their feelings about guns, just as long as they and the U.N. don't force their beliefs on us. I am a competitive rifle and pistol shooter. It's odd, but I have many friend that go to England to compete in the long range matches at Bisley. They tell me the Brits are excellent shooters.
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Hi Mike, No problem and no offense taken. I do understand the 'flip side of the coin' in this debate. You probably have never been a victim of a violent crime and God bless you for that. I have not either, thank God. My problem is the potential for being a victim is always there, even though I make sure that I never put myself in situations where I can be victimized. However, even in the best places the criminal elements prey. One statistic that is not abundantly reported is the use of weapons as a deterrent to crime. Years ago, one friend of mine didn't even have to pull his pistol, just the gesture of reaching was enough to scare off the would-be robber. Never reported... A few years ago, another friend did pull his revolver as he believed the assailant was going to try to kill him with a knife and just that was good enough to deter the guy. Again, never reported. The list goes on and on. To each their own but I feel more comfortable knowing that I have the power to defuse a potentially deadly situation. It is a responsibility I do not shoulder lightly. I know exactly what can happen. In fact, I find myself more polite, more willing to let things slide, and more willing to just walk away when I am carrying. Here's a couple of articles. One concerns statistics on the defensive use of guns and the other is an interesting article about Gary Kleck (a self professed gun hater) and some of the research done and the findings...
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Phil,
some great facts and details, and very interesting to boot I think the this is evidence for the support of free speech. also clear evidence that we over hear are in a sometimes enviable situation of being a fairly small contained location as compared to your vast continent. I can also understand the comfort factor involved and if I were in the same situation as you would probably make the same,inevitable choices.
Devils advocate here but the would be assailant to one of your friends may have gone away and disposed of his knife and gone and got a gun...... scary.
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Close hand tightly, swing it with great gusto, agitator falls backwards with a surprised look on face, disagreement ends with hearty handshake. Old time way of settling things. Weapon not needed.
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In the 13 years i've been living here. Other than when talking to a cop I dont think i have yet seen a gun pulled or worn in the street. Obviously many people do carry them, and it is there right. Ive been to a firing range a few times a shot a couple ofguns. Scared the hell out of me. I dont have a gun and at this moment in time dont plan to get one.
Have to say, when first moving here i did wonder about the guns, but since being here i can honstly say it really is no big deal.
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I was brought up with guns (Dad was Air Force & a marksman) and still own a couple of rifles which are not in my home.
I'm not denying anybody the right, but I agree with our brethren on the other side of the pond that carrying a handgun while riding sounds a bit dodgy. The idea of carrying one for protection seems off the mark to me as well. What do you need to be protected from while riding? Other riders? Then you're probably hanging out in the wrong places. Cagers? Hmmm, so some cager cuts you off and you're gonna pull a piece? You're going to have the presence, speed and precision to plink a deer that may jump in front of you?
Maybe I spent too many years in L.A. during the 80's but it seems to me that riding a bike with a gun is just asking for trouble. Someone get pissed off in traffic (happens occasionaly, right?!), pulls a gun, things escalate and a tragedy occurs or best case someone goes to jail.
The little wink icon with the post struck me as interesting. One other question for all you guys who are carrying - if you go on a group ride, do the guys your riding with know you've got a gun? If not, do you think it would make a difference if they did?
I know this thread was meant for others but am curious to know more.
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"""I have never had to use a weapon in defense of a life and I hope I never have to. However....."""
I'll bet most regular/ normal/ balanced people think this.... then why do it?
I for one have never needed my seat belt when driving my car. I've been very fortunate in this sense, but to apply your logic I should no longer buckle up when I get in a car....
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do the guys your riding with know you've got a gun? If not, do you think it would make a difference if they did?
First of all you don't hear of massive shoot outs now do you? There are millions of gun owners in this country and many carry, but we haven't turned into the old west. Secondly, folks aren't supposed to know you're carrying. It defeats the whole purpose of concealed carry if you publish the fact and it could be construed as brandishing which is illegal. I personally don't ride in large groups and if I did my companions wouldn't be aware of my carry status. You have the right to either own, or not own a gun in this country and in many states you have the same choice when it comes to carrying a weapon. Many countries don't afford their citizens the same choice. I feel sorry for them. It's called freedom. With freedom comes personal responsibility. That's the reason we haven't shot ourselves to pieces. The vast majority of us are resonsible gun owners. Those that aren't are either in prison, dead, or headed to one , or the other conclusion. I personally enjoy the freedoms and rights we have in the US. I wouldn't want to live in any other country...like England, Australia, or California. 
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I'm in the same city as clanrickarde, and this recent vehicular homicide of a biker by a cager does have a lot of riders talking about carrying.
It's not the idea that you'd actually shoot the road rager trying to run you down, it's just the timely display of the weapon that should deter the miscreant from running you down. And you shouldn't even have to "whip out the gun and point it". Just showing it while still in the holster should do the trick.
I've had idiots cut me off in traffic and then laugh. I've had a cager almost slam in to me by not staying in his lane during a left turn. There was a Pima County deputy sherrif in the next lane over, and at the next traffic light I pointed to the car. He rolled down his window and said; "What are you yelling about?". I wasn't yelling, I was just pointing. When I asked the deputy if he saw the car almost sideswipe me, he just laughed. So you can't even count on the law to do something about cagers trying to kill us.
That's why people carry a handgun on a bike. The courts let the cagers off with tickets for turning left into us while on their cell phones and killing somebody out for a cruise, the cops don't care...what are we to do?
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Derek, you've brought up a very salient point and here is a copy of Peter Kasler’s article on police having no obligation to protect. Peter Alan Kasler was a gun rights activist, author and lawyer.
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It is, therefore, a fact of law and of practical necessity that individuals are responsible for their own personal safety, and that of their loved ones. Police protection must be recognized for what it is: only an auxiliary general deterrent.
Because the police have no general duty to protect individuals, judicial remedies are not available for their failure to protect. In other words, if someone is injured because they expected but did not receive police protection, they cannot recover damages by suing (except in very special cases, explained below). Despite a long history of such failed attempts, however, many, people persist in believing the police are obligated to protect them, attempt to recover when no protection was forthcoming, and are emotionally demoralized when the recovery fails. Legal annals abound with such cases.
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(Is this called ..... doing a Dwight..... my own personal rant?) Mike
Mike,
You mean...AKA, an INFORMED opinion???? 
Look, I've just come to accept the stance that most Americans are John Wayne wannabes and so I act accordingly.
I TOO have a couple of guns "lyin' around the house", 'cuz ya know why....EVERYBODY ELSE DOES HERE!!! It's just the "American Way", ol' chum! And it AIN'T no use to argue 'bout this, 'cuz, NOTHIN' is ever goin' ta CHANGE. We LIKES our guns, and if a few thousand take the EASY ROAD to justice over here annually, well chum....that's the price we here pay for "FREEDOM"!) 
Ya know...LOTS o' 'mericans THINK that's gonna ta keep this "bad ol' government o' our's" at bay when they'll "come ta get us"!!!
Ya SEE! THAT'S HOW CLUELESS WE ARE over here!(google the names "Randy Weaver", "Rudy Ridge" or "Waco, TX" and see how effective THAT IS)
But CRIME is a major problem in this supposed "First World Country"(along with with a generally insufficient educational system, AND clueless parenting skills, AND all the "religious folk" on their second and third MARRIAGES)
Cheers,
Dwight
(but as I said...I GOTS 'em for "home protection"[I'm NOT kidding]....It's ALL a balancing act here, ya see)
(okay...rant...ahem...INFORMED OPINION over)
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First of all you don't hear of massive shoot outs now do you? There are millions of gun owners in this country and many carry, but we haven't turned into the old west.
Did I say anything about massive shootouts?
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Secondly, folks aren't supposed to know you're carrying. It defeats the whole purpose of concealed carry if you publish the fact and it could be construed as brandishing which is illegal. I personally don't ride in large groups and if I did my companions wouldn't be aware of my carry status.
Whether telling someone you have a concealed weapon is bradinshing I don't know, I guess if I were a friend or in a group of riders I'd like to know if they were packing.
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You have the right to either own, or not own a gun in this country and in many states you have the same choice when it comes to carrying a weapon. Many countries don't afford their citizens the same choice. I feel sorry for them. It's called freedom. With freedom comes personal responsibility. That's the reason we haven't shot ourselves to pieces. The vast majority of us are resonsible gun owners. Those that aren't are either in prison, dead, or headed to one , or the other conclusion. I personally enjoy the freedoms and rights we have in the US. I wouldn't want to live in any other country...like England, Australia, or California.
Yeah, heard that all before and did state that I agree to your freedom and wasn't really asking for the typical political answer here. Hope you're not shakey when you're shooting!
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I guess if I were a friend or in a group of riders I'd like to know if they were packing
Just being curious Mark, why would you want to know?
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WOW! I can't believe it but I see that although Dwight and I are not exactly on the same paragraph, we are definitely on the same page...
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Guns, yup, gottem...all stainless. CWP, on my list of things to do. Carry riding, not without a CWP. Since 9-11, anytime I travel overnight a weapon and enough ammo go with me and my family because: "I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than need a gun and not have one."
later, Tom.
But, what do I know?
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Fe Butt
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Man...ya know WHAT, guys? If I lived in a place where I felt THAT threatened DAILY where I'd had to ride, drive or walk packin' a freakin' firearm..........I'D freakin' MOVE!  I know watchin' the ol' boob tube, people throughtout the world think there's a G.D. chalked outline of a body every block here in L.A.....BUT GEEZ....IT AIN'T SO, PEOPLE!!! Cheers, Dwight ("The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!"...Franklin Delano Roosevelt)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Loquacious
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Quote:
And if a few thousand take the EASY ROAD to justice over here annually, well chum....that's the price we here pay for "FREEDOM"!)
That's a boatload of hyperbole you got going on Dwight. It's not about "taking the easy road to justice". For example, here in Tucson there's been a rash of what the papers call "home invasions". Usually it's 3 or 4 armed thugs looking for drugs, but they don't always get the address right. Often they come in looking to shoot, and do just that. Now I would hope that I live in a safe enough neighborhood, since I'm a stone's throw from the Border Patrol training facility and there's lots of them in my area, but ya just never know, do you? So that's why there's a 12 gauge under the bed with some 00 buck shot.
So if some villains do bust into my house, I'm not waiting around hoping the cops will show before they shoot me or my wife. See, it's not about "handing out justice" or "freedom", it's about self preservation....the right to defend yourself against the evil scum.
Now this isn't something I think about all the time. I don't live a paranoid lifestyle, and generally think well of my fellow man. I don't carry my Taurus PT 945 when I ride, but there's something to be said about being prepared for the worst.
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Learned Hand
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As long as you are a certified law enforcement official, all yo need to carry is your id and/or badge(nation wide, thanks to Bush).....Angelis
1200CC BIG BORE, W/WISECO PISTONS,.250 STROKED CRANK, PORTED/POLISHED HEADS AND LARGER VALVES, CUSTOM WELDED EXHUAST, DUAL 42MM MIKUNI CARBS.
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Quote:
Man...ya know WHAT, guys?
If I lived in a place where I felt THAT threatened DAILY where I'd had to ride, drive or walk packin' a freakin' firearm..........I'D freakin' MOVE!
BINGO! You Da Man Dwight 
Ciao!
'02 America/Master, Cardinal Red
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Derek,
I DON'T have a problem with long-barrel firearms, OR home protection.
But when EASILY conceilable hand guns are out and about in public, I DO!
And THAT'S the tangent this thread has taken. The whole idea that HANDGUNS are the answer to personal safety is bogus AND belongs in the 19th century.
BUT, as I said, this being America, and almost every swingin' dick out there having the capability to carry a HANDGUN(whether legally of not) because of the proliferation of them and the mindset of fear out there, it's NOW beyond any discussion in order to reel in the violence that THESE types of firearms add to in this country's annual death toll.
Ya want "home protection"? Get cha a Remington Pump-action 12 gauge. NOW you're talkin'!!!
Cheers,
Dwight
(and ya don't have to be a good shot for that puppy to be effective)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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